Awakening in God-Consciousness, class #2

2001, Barry M Klein, Los Angeles

 

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HOST LFST RB3000: 2nd Class of *Awakening*in*God*Consciousness*:

HOST LFST RB3000: The Scriptural, Mythological and Shamanic roots of awakening.

SpirallDance: 3k..how many credits is this class worth?

HOST LFST RB3000: SpirallDance, if you complete the whole nine-month course, you will receive your wings :)

HOST LFST RB3000: ...........................................

HOST LFST RB3000: Last week we got down to some of the finer points and mechanisms of

HOST LFST RB3000: spiritual and mystical practices. Actually, the practices are mostly the

HOST LFST RB3000: same between spiritual and mystical intent, but they are harvested

HOST LFST RB3000: differently by mystical lineages than the are by spiritual traditions. We

HOST LFST RB3000: will explore more about those differences in a future class.

HOST LFST RB3000: I mentioned this last week, but I have to explain that the reason that the

HOST LFST RB3000: words I use may sound paradoxical in explaining these areas, is that we

HOST LFST RB3000: are aiming for positions of consciousness that are not mapped in the field

HOST LFST RB3000: of ordinary, mechanistic ego-intellect, and so normal language categories

HOST LFST RB3000: never fit accurately.

HOST LFST RB3000: Another clarification I always make is "ecstatic-mystical trances" -- we'll

HOST LFST RB3000: talk more about these in future classes, but for now I'll just point out that

HOST LFST RB3000: I am not using the colloquial nor the psychological meanings of these

HOST LFST RB3000: words.

HOST LFST RB3000: "Ecstatic" does not mean "really happy", "mystical" does not mean

HOST LFST RB3000: exotic or orthodox, nor is it necessarily mysterious. The "trances" that I

HOST LFST RB3000: am talking about are not from watching a pendulum or a twirling spiral;

HOST LFST RB3000: they are conscious shifts into alternate realities by one's own intent.

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HOST LFST RB3000: To summarize last week's discussion, we examined "Just Sitting" -- and

HOST LFST RB3000: there is a special reason that I don't say "meditation" for this.

HOST LFST RB3000: Mantras -- toning, chanting, repetitious singing, and "silences" of a

HOST LFST RB3000: certain kind.

HOST LFST RB3000: Pranayama-- the mystical octaves of the Breath; the activation of the

HOST LFST RB3000: Serpents; the aspiration of the deities.

HOST LFST RB3000: Asanas and Mudras: These are specific positions and movements of the

HOST LFST RB3000: body and of the hands which allow various kinds of energies and healings

HOST LFST RB3000: to be channelled, and which tone the psychic and spiritual apparatus.

HOST LFST RB3000: T'ai Ch'i, K'ung F'u, Ch'i Kung and sacred dance -- methods of installing

HOST LFST RB3000: the dimensionalities of consciousness into the body.

HOST LFST RB3000: Does anybody remember about those?

HOST LFST RB3000: Before we get started on our second lesson, there are a few points that

HOST LFST RB3000: we have to get clear on, and this must be started before any serious work

HOST LFST RB3000: on consciousness and awakening can occur. The exercises that we've

HOST LFST RB3000: already talked about fall into the line of *preparing the apparatus*. These

HOST LFST RB3000: next practices (actually all are part of one major principle) are in the line

HOST LFST RB3000: of developing will.

HOST LFST RB3000: The first of these advanced exercises is: Appointments: gradually setting

HOST LFST RB3000: up more and more of the hitherto unconscious activities of our daily lives

HOST LFST RB3000: until we are supported by a network of conscious points, as a platform

HOST LFST RB3000: from which our lives and realities can be transformed.

HOST LFST RB3000: Ultimately, every moment of our life becomes seen as "an appointment

HOST LFST RB3000: with Power," as don Juan would say. And then the Power is in us and with

HOST LFST RB3000: us. Further along in this course, we will anticipate what it would be like to

HOST LFST RB3000: live by such Power. (Exercise: Why do I capitalize words like "Power",

HOST LFST RB3000: "Consciousness" and "Spirit"?)

HOST LFST RB3000: Questions or comments about that?

HOST LFST RB3000: Daily inventory:(sometimes referred to as "recapitulation") Initially done

HOST LFST RB3000: at the end of each day, this is a dispassionate, objective, experiential

HOST LFST RB3000: examination of our responses to everything that occurred on the given

HOST LFST RB3000: day for us, often divided into intellectual, emotional, psychological and

HOST LFST RB3000: physical channels

HOST LFST RB3000: (physical may be further subdivided into habitual, addictive, and fear-

HOST LFST RB3000: and anger- induced reactions). This examination is done silently, often by

HOST LFST RB3000: following the breath, and totally without judgments.

HOST LFST RB3000: This last one is an extremely subtle practice -- let's discuss it more.

FIFEVermilionSky: DO YOU MEAN POWER TO CHANGE WHATS REAL

HOST LFST RB3000: FIFEVermilionSky, I mean the power to allow "reality" to become its own fluid nature.

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FIFEVermilionSky: LIKE PAIN INTO NO PAIN

HOST LFST RB3000: FIFEVermilionSky, "pain" never was part of any external reality-- it is a

HOST LFST RB3000: programmed internal conversation about an experience of energy.

HOST LFST RB3000: What do you suppose it means, to "follow the breath"?

BuzzBOK2: to let go of every thing

HOST LFST RB3000: BuzzBOK, well, everything except intent. :)

DCizunas: Perhaps breath takes the infinite into a finite

DCizunas: space and takes what it finds to expel into

DCizunas: infinity again?

Graciee: Follow the breath means ..Go with the flow?

Graciee: I am not sure..

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, sort of, yes. :)

Graciee: #K, what is your definition, please?

BuzzBOK2: as long as the intent is from your heart

BuzzBOK2: and is pure

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, for following the breath ...

HOST LFST RB3000: It means to hold very quiet intent on perception & cognition with a very

HOST LFST RB3000: even breath that programs the event into the body as a pure sequence.

HOST LFST RB3000: (Sorry I had to use such abstruse language for it -- but we can pull it apart :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, how much of that did you get? Anything specific?

Graciee: Sort of a "Stilling the mind" , yes?

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, definitely stilling the mind, for sure -- and turning off all the

HOST LFST RB3000: entrained programs till we are witnessing the Miracle of Existence right

Graciee: Looking within...at onesself

HOST LFST RB3000: before our very eyes, in everything that appears before us. :)

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HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, seeing what is "without" along with its inner components.

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, anyone else for now?

HOST LFST RB3000: So far, I've identified at least four different and important results of doing

HOST LFST RB3000: the inventory faithfully. First, we attain self-knowledge, and can predict

HOST LFST RB3000: our reactions more and more, and then reprogram them in a more

HOST LFST RB3000: constructive and positive way. Second, we become more and more

HOST LFST RB3000: present and awake as we go through our experiences while finding our

HOST LFST RB3000: "markers" all over it, reminding us of everything we wish to remember.

HOST LFST RB3000: The third outcome is that this practice develops and crystalizes our

HOST LFST RB3000: "double" or "dream body" or "astral body." This is not just "astral

HOST LFST RB3000: projection" or mediumship -- it is actually forming a fully conscious, fully

HOST LFST RB3000: functional and immortal second body of our attention, and it is this vehicle

HOST LFST RB3000: which can first exercise *Will* or true volition.

HOST LFST RB3000: If this body is formed correctly, it will have Knowledge (here the capital

HOST LFST RB3000: "K" means that it is direct Knowledge of Beingness, not mere "facts" or

HOST LFST RB3000: "information").

Nubbinus: 3000 I understand you

HOST LFST RB3000: Let's work on this one-- it's rather significant, and amazing, if I do say so :)

Nubbinus: but I have found being without logic to be the way

Nubbinus: just seeing and being, without reacting

HOST LFST RB3000: Nubbinus, actually, without *ordinary logic*, because there is an amazing

HOST LFST RB3000: logic to all of this, in higher dimensionalities.

HOST LFST RB3000: Nubbinus, or perhaps, being fully *aware* of our reactions -- but without judgment, for sure.

Nubbinus: a maze to get lost in

Nubbinus: you know this 3000

HOST LFST RB3000: Nubbinus, a-maze-ment to find something different. :)

Nubbinus: seeing without making any judgment

HOST LFST RB3000: Nubbinus, yes, or at least, being aware of all our judgments until they give way.

BuzzBOK2: what do you mean by ((markers)) RB3000

HOST LFST RB3000: BuzzBOK, every time we bring ourselves to an awareness-in-the-

HOST LFST RB3000: moment, it sets a "marker" that we can guide on next time, like a buoy at sea.

HOST LFST RB3000: Make sense?

BuzzBOK2: yep

BuzzBOK2: i just call it some thing eles

HOST LFST RB3000: SO THEN, if we have made thousands of tiny awarenesses in our

HOST LFST RB3000: consciousness, we have a sea-full of markers, and can then connect all the dots -- see where that brings us?

HOST LFST RB3000: BuzzBOK, what do you call it?

BuzzBOK2: my place

BuzzBOK2: simple

BuzzBOK2: temple

HOST LFST RB3000: BuzzBOK, that's good-- it's where it's just you and what-is, right?

BuzzBOK2: puer and white and a blessing from the light

HOST LFST RB3000: Sounds good :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Continuing ................

HOST LFST RB3000: The Double can be wherever and whenever <it> intends to be, and it

HOST LFST RB3000: can bend physical law considerably. It is not at the level of a deity, but it

HOST LFST RB3000: can form communication spectra with higher levels.

HOST LFST RB3000: It is also *possible* (none of this is *probable*) to transform the astral

HOST LFST RB3000: body into the higher-order mental, causal or Divine "bodies", and later on

HOST LFST RB3000: we might be able to examine what these could be, and what attributes

HOST LFST RB3000: they may have, depending on how much Power we will have collected as

HOST LFST RB3000: a group.

X I am Dann x: wow

HOST LFST RB3000: (This fits right in with Easter, from the esoteric view)

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DCizunas: K, when we create a vardgoer (doppleganger) on

DCizunas: earth plane do we need a receptor to see it, or

DCizunas: will everyone?

HOST LFST RB3000: Nubbinus, good-- you will receive five years of weekly magazines :)

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, everyone can already *see* it, if they shift for it. This class will

HOST LFST RB3000: remind you how to make all those shifts of attention.

DCizunas: In other words, it's got to be a two way thing?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, what two ways?

HOST LFST RB3000: I think that's pretty logical, but not always so. In my own case,

HOST LFST RB3000: it was only when I set up to go it on my own, that the team came along with me. :)

BuzzBOK2: Do you practice Reiki, RB3000?

HOST LFST RB3000: BuzzBOK, I've been measured for 3rd-level Reiki at least, but never formally.

Galaxon: i dont practice reiki, i DO reiki. no need to practice it anymore

DCizunas: RB, we need a receiver who in in tune on the

DCizunas: other end...like those who saw vardgoers before

DCizunas: telephones made them obsolete

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, NOW LET'S CONTINUE WITH THE LESSON A BIT MORE........

HOST LFST RB3000: The next new practice is: Work against negativity and against the inner

HOST LFST RB3000: "conversation": Daily, consistent practices of the other exercises allow an

HOST LFST RB3000: observer attention to be formed in us apart from our continuity of actions,

HOST LFST RB3000: thoughts and responses.

HOST LFST RB3000: This observer is able to identify more and more how much of our thoughts

HOST LFST RB3000: and communications are based on negative programs that we perpetuate

HOST LFST RB3000: with our inner talking and with our conceptual habits.

HOST LFST RB3000: What this means is that everything that we have been *calling* our

HOST LFST RB3000: "thoughts" are really just mechanical associations, and everything we

HOST LFST RB3000: have been calling our "feelings" are not even directly *felt*, but are

HOST LFST RB3000: merely reactions to our incessant internal justification,

Sting31: {s lastnite.wav}

HOST LFST RB3000: self-pity, spiteful thoughts based on infantile reactions, and all the

HOST LFST RB3000: nonsensical and inconsistent suggestions and demands that were made

HOST LFST RB3000: on us during our formative years.

Sting31: sniff

HOST LFST RB3000: This does not imply that we are victims in any way -- we are what we are,

HOST LFST RB3000: despite what I think has happened to me, and despite whose fault I

HOST LFST RB3000: perceive all my weaknesses to be.

HOST LFST RB3000: The significance of the idea is that our gradually forming observer, using

HOST LFST RB3000: our gradually accumulating Power, can eventually identify the exact

HOST LFST RB3000: moment when the negative impulse occurs, and derail the ensuing self-justification mechanism.

HOST LFST RB3000: Do you see what this would allow us to do? We then can be Human

HOST LFST RB3000: Beings, finally in self-authority, the Source of its manifestation and

HOST LFST RB3000: experience. When this happens, we can make Decisions and know that

HOST LFST RB3000: we will keep them, no matter what, and we can instantly forgive

HOST LFST RB3000: everybody for everything!

HOST LFST RB3000: Comments?

RealmLady: RB3K.....what about the feelings that originate in our soul??????

RealmLady: not in our minds.....?

RealmLady: those aren't negative.....

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, I hold that *all* real feelings originate in our being --

HOST LFST RB3000: anything else is entrained or programmed internal conversations *about*

HOST LFST RB3000: our energies and emanations.

DCizunas: Doesn't it also apply to the other emotion of

DCizunas: mental self-flaggelation?? In other words that

DCizunas: we should be completely neutral in all

DCizunas: situations?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, how is that an *emotion*???

Graciee: 3K, it is a matter of unlearning old agreements..and learning forgiveness

Graciee: is the key to healing..LOve of self and Love of others...

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, exactly :)

Graciee: >)

RealmLady: All emotions originate from Love or Fear....

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, actually, I don't regard what we *call* "love" or "fear" as emotions at all. :)

DCizunas: 3K, have done a lot of mea culpa in my day

StellaWolf: Just to see if I'm on the same track here, would 'feelings' be the expression of a collection?

DCizunas: Guess what I'm trying to say is not to let the

DCizunas: pendulum swing the other way?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, the pendulum can swing wherever it wants-- it is oneself that becomes stable, yet fluid, see?

StellaWolf: of past experiences brought into our being?

StellaWolf: By any outside stimulus, that is.

Galaxon: 3k if they arent emotions, what are they?

RealmLady: feelings perhaps gala.....?

Galaxon: emotions are feelings

DCizunas: 3K, then can't piece in what you are saying about

DCizunas: self-justification with that

RealmLady: emotions are reactions to feelings I believe.....

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, actually, the "past experiences" contain the roots of all our

HOST LFST RB3000: stories from which we derive our "2nd-hand" feelings, which are really

HOST LFST RB3000: internal programs.

HOST LFST RB3000: Not the actual, being-based emotional sources.

DCizunas: Scuse me 3K, just see what you mean, thanks

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, stories, programs, entrainments, indoctrination...

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StellaWolf: gotcha, 3k ;)

RealmLady: so you are speaking about feelings that come from say......past experiences that weren't

RealmLady: good and cause negative feelings?

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, I don't regard *any* experience as "bad", and I don't

HOST LFST RB3000: subscribe to *any* negative "feelings" -- those are all justifications and

HOST LFST RB3000: internal chatter-- we literally work ourselves up into these frenzies.

NTASantaFe: Are visions 2nd hand emotions

HOST LFST RB3000: NTASantaFe, real visions are created with first-hand, bona-fide Emotions.

Galaxon: i think the soul is the total combo of all the feelings we have

Galaxon: 3k so you think feelings are not emotions

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, yes, all the REAL feelings that we ARE!

Galaxon: 3k are emotions what attract things to us?

RealmLady: thought you were talking about the moment when the negative feelings occur.....

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, that is not what I'm saying at all. Real feelings = emotions, not

HOST LFST RB3000: chatterings and justifications.

RealmLady: internally.....

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, the moment is when an energy of emanation strikes us - it is

HOST LFST RB3000: our programming that justifies them into "negativity" and waste.

Galaxon: 3k well, do you think that, though? emotions attract?

RealmLady: gotcha i think

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, I agree that each of our feelings attracts realities to us.

RealmLady: our thoughts attract realities to us I believe.....

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, THOSE ARE ALL GOOD COMMENTS. Let's continue now ...............

HOST LFST RB3000: The next practice: Humility, service and devotion: These are not offered

HOST LFST RB3000: here from any sense of "altruism" or sentimentality. These qualities turn

HOST LFST RB3000: out to be the most powerful tools for breaking enslavement to ego

HOST LFST RB3000: patterns and self-absorption, and also for developing the inner strength

HOST LFST RB3000: and sensitivity necessary for ultimate ascension.

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, let's open the floor for discussion about the practices, and then we'll

HOST LFST RB3000: go on to the next major subject. :)

StellaWolf: ::giggles:: transcendental pro bono work

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, yes, this is a scheduled class on "Awakening in God-Consciousness"

NTASantaFe: God consciousness has always been a problem for me

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, actually, there is quite a tidy profit from completing the awakening :)

NTASantaFe: my innerness, doesn't seem to include human gods

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, all the mystical and esoteric teachings I've been able to absorb in half a century :)

RealmLady: so then they come from all that you have learned?

HOST LFST RB3000: NTASantaFe, who says you need to include "gods"?

RealmLady: the information I mean....

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, why else would I teach it? :)

RealmLady: ok....was just curious.....so then you are teaching from your truth??.....

StellaWolf: provided a quick snapshot of the evolution of human consciousness ;_

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, I don't subscribe to "having a truth" -- I have a point of view,

HOST LFST RB3000: just like anyone else. I've just worked really really really hard to make my point of view self-consistent. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, LET'S CONTINUE ....................

HOST LFST RB3000: Now let's get on to the featured topic for tonight, "The Scriptural,

HOST LFST RB3000: Mythological and Shamanic roots of awakening."

HOST LFST RB3000: The easiest and most dramatic thing to look at first is the shere density of

HOST LFST RB3000: reminders of the presense of Spirit, God, the Supernatural. Churches in

HOST LFST RB3000: every direction, most of the cities and half of the street names are saints

HOST LFST RB3000: or miraculous events;

HOST LFST RB3000: here in California, our capital is "Sacrament" and our towns are "Our Lady,

HOST LFST RB3000: the Queen of the Angels", "Holy Cross", "Saint Barbara," "Saint David",

HOST LFST RB3000: "Saint Francis" and of course many native American holy names like Ojai

HOST LFST RB3000: and Shoshone.

HOST LFST RB3000: Another really obvious sign that we always go right past is the amount of

HOST LFST RB3000: the entirely unconscious swearing that most people do: "Oh, <the holy

HOST LFST RB3000: name of the Divine>", "<the Divine One>, curse <this person or

HOST LFST RB3000: experience>", "<the name of the avatar that the christians

HOST LFST RB3000: idolatrize>", etc.

HOST LFST RB3000: They use these oaths (technically, prayers and invocations) without

HOST LFST RB3000: every realizing that they are calling upon the Powers of the Universe for

HOST LFST RB3000: every petty impulse that they have.

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HOST LFST RB3000: Actually, we can open the floor at this point. Questions? Comments?

DCizunas: 3K, aren't these also gained from 2nd person learning?

NTASantaFe: the universes contain all these signs, they all dwell with - in

StellaWolf: 3k, excellent way to put it, about the impulses

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, what would that be?

DCizunas: We learn all our "cussing" from listening to

DCizunas: another person and it does not really fit us

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, I find that most people are not even aware they are doing it.

StellaWolf: the mere thought doesn't fit us, DC

DCizunas: 3K, my point exactly...most people are unaware of

DCizunas: most of their thoughts for what you called 2nd

DCizunas: person learning

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, right-- now, do we have to hang onto all those "thoughts"?

DCizunas: I follow 3K...just was wondering if they stirred

DCizunas: up mystical things that may be out of those people's control

StellaWolf: conscious creations, funny little things

HOST LFST RB3000: This unconscious swearing is what makes our words and actions

HOST LFST RB3000: powerless - we are leaves in the wind, going in every direction, with no definite intent, until ...

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, "mystical things" are when ppl are *in* control!

RochelleDo: conscious intent

StellaWolf: I don't know if it is unconscious, or just ignorant of the situation

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, have you seen some? :)

StellaWolf: every day ;)

DCizunas: So no Pandora's box then 3K? Just lack of focus

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, right-- the Pandora's box is *standard reality"!

DCizunas: Makes sense :)

RochelleDo: like elementals?

StellaWolf: I don't think ignorance of the creation aspect, or calling the powers, absolves one from the

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, what about 'em?

StellaWolf: conscious act of thought/cuss/etc

RochelleDo: just wondering if that was what was meant.

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, of course not-- the wretchedness of our lives is our payment for ignorance. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, I'm not sure-- can you elaborate?

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, NOW -- LET'S GO DEEPER ....................

HOST LFST RB3000: Going deeper, let's look at the dichotomy that our culture has concerning

HOST LFST RB3000: mythology. I find that, even when we allow that mythology contains

HOST LFST RB3000: "cultural richness" and links to the past, we still regard the contents of

HOST LFST RB3000: virtually all mythology as, at best, fanciful superstitions and children's stories.

HOST LFST RB3000: The reason for this is that, in our culture, we are far more superstitious

HOST LFST RB3000: than any of the cultures we study, in my opinion. We have very elaborate

HOST LFST RB3000: fetishes like "psychology", telescopes, neutrino detectors, atom

HOST LFST RB3000: smashers and electron microscopes, and we have untested but

HOST LFST RB3000: "incontrovertible" beliefs in "free will", "democracy" and "our

HOST LFST RB3000: <nationality|race | football team>".

HOST LFST RB3000: So we have our own mythologies in this culture, from the derogatory

HOST LFST RB3000: sense of the term. But what if mythology (including holy scripture) is

HOST LFST RB3000: actually reporting something to us, something that our ancestors knew

HOST LFST RB3000: and wished to make available to us.

HOST LFST RB3000: ?

StellaWolf: 'this culture' being American?

RealmLady: an interesting thought..

HOST LFST RB3000: Of course, one of the great stories in mythology is that our future selves

HOST LFST RB3000: are sending knowledge back to our ancestors, as well.

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, well, "American" as the hub of the current western culture.

HOST LFST RB3000: Questions? Comments?

StellaWolf: I can't think of one myth since the dawn of christianity that would pertain to our culture.

RochelleDo: Many myths are rich in symbolism, though.

StellaWolf: Maybe it's time for new ones :)

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, I'm saying that we have our own mythology, just as

HOST LFST RB3000: superstitious as any of those others.

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, I think that's why we are here :)

StellaWolf: Mythology is a tool in which a culture can relate to the transcendent.

DCizunas: Future sending back to past is coming true

DCizunas: though?? Ala matrix??

StellaWolf: Sorry, but we've come a loooong way in 2000 years LOL

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, good way to put it. But how many times do you hear, "But that's just a myth"?

NTASantaFe: 2000 years is but a blink of the eye

StellaWolf: I think people incorrectly use the word 'myth'

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, yes, people use most words incorrectly, IMO. :)

StellaWolf: I agree Santa. But our environment has changed drastically.

StellaWolf: We now know that 'heaven' doesn't lie between here and the moon thanks to exploration and

StellaWolf: space stations ;)

StellaWolf: our myths do not yet reflect this

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, oh really??? With this guy as president, with all these wars

HOST LFST RB3000: and Talibans and persecutions and witch hunts that we have. Do you know we still have slavery all over the world?

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DCizunas: Stella, but not everyone on earth has knowledge

DCizunas: of them

NTASantaFe: the ancients have knows this for eons and will continue

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, our technologies are allowing us to destroy the environment,

HOST LFST RB3000: bomb each other more efficiently, put weapons into children's hands, ...

StellaWolf: DC, agree. But we do :)

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, we know no such thing. We are listening to radio signals to

HOST LFST RB3000: "prove" whether there is intelligence, when it is right here between us.

StellaWolf: I'm basing this observation on how different cultures' myths are shaped by their

StellaWolf: knowledge of their surroundings

HOST LFST RB3000: I'm saying that all of our "scientific evidence" is nothing but another

HOST LFST RB3000: mythology, and not a bit better founded than any tribal culture's.

StellaWolf: jungle people have certain myths, hunters others.

StellaWolf: Absolutely, 3k.

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, the real mythologies are shaped by relationship with the

HOST LFST RB3000: supernatural -- and these have their own logic and their own proofs. Ours

HOST LFST RB3000: has very little relationship to the supernatural, therefore is very flat and lame.

RealmLady: isn't there some basis of truth in all myths?

StellaWolf: ::giggles:: I dunno...the Matrix looks like it got pretty close :)

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, sure.

dystopia, and

RealmLady: and regardless of what culture they stem from......there is still a basis of truth for "all"

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, the Matrix's "awakening" was into yet another HOST LFST RB3000: the world after the matrix shut off was rather isolated from Truth.

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, FRIENDS-- LET'S GO ON ....................

HOST LFST RB3000: Another important story in mythology is that an ordinary human (but one

HOST LFST RB3000: with extraordinary faith and courage) can achieve immortality by taking

HOST LFST RB3000: some task, set by one of the local deities, into the underworld and going

HOST LFST RB3000: through their own personal death.

HOST LFST RB3000: In some cases, they were dismembered and strewn to all the corners of

HOST LFST RB3000: the earth. And then at those times, it is up to the belief and willingness of

HOST LFST RB3000: their lovers or disciples to find their parts and reunite them.

HOST LFST RB3000: But isn't this just exactly our own situation? We have "died" (fallen from

HOST LFST RB3000: awakened, unified Consciousness) and become "dismembered" (forgot

HOST LFST RB3000: where we came from and what we are doing here).

HOST LFST RB3000: But we do have a task to fulfill, if we happen to stumble upon it, or if we

HOST LFST RB3000: chance upon another person who either reminds us of the truth, or who is

HOST LFST RB3000: connected to a lineage that remembers.

HOST LFST RB3000: Usually, all the lineages have themselves forgotten, and are simply

HOST LFST RB3000: perpetuating some particular form of the original transmissions, and just

HOST LFST RB3000: become religions who war among themselves as to which one is the most

HOST LFST RB3000: "righteous."

RealmLady: that is the fate of humans upon birth Host....to forget Who We Really Are....

HOST LFST RB3000: But mythology also tells us what our task is, albeit in metaphorical terms -

HOST LFST RB3000: - the holy grail, the golden fleece, the pot at the end o' the rainbow, the

HOST LFST RB3000: promised land, the crystal bridge, the hall of doors in Wonderland, visitors

HOST LFST RB3000: from the hidden worlds, elves, faeries, unicorns, Shangri-La, and on and

HOST LFST RB3000: on ...]

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, that is not our *fate*, just our "condition", methinks :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Comments? Questions?

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, well, what *is* our fate?

RealmLady: in what sense Host?

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, are we destined for awakening, for reunion with the Source in

HOST LFST RB3000: some way? Or merely for an ignominious death?

RealmLady: destined for awakening for reunion with the source

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, think that's automatic for everyone? (Like "evolution"?)

RealmLady: in any way that seems right for each and everyone.....yes Host....though some never realize

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, if they never realize, does it still happen for them,

HOST LFST RB3000: unconsciously and without volition?

RealmLady: that im unsure of.....

NTASantaFe: A re-union of the knowledge

RealmLady: though we all end up at the same place upon human death.....back with the Oneness.regardless

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, my position is that the only fate I can be sure of, is one that I

HOST LFST RB3000: fully account for, in full awareness and unity of self.

OnlineHost: wshirleym has entered the room.

HOST LFST RB3000: NTASantaFe, yes, the Knowledge of Beingness, right?

NTASantaFe: yes

RealmLady: A knowledge of Who We Really Are, perhaps

NTASantaFe: Everything dwells within - we just have to look there to remember

RealmLady: true NTA

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, "not one single soul is lost" and all that. But which one? I'm

HOST LFST RB3000: backing mine with everything I've got. :)

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HOST LFST RB3000: FINISHING UP THE CLASS NOW ................

HOST LFST RB3000: What are all these stories point at for us to do? If these magical places

HOST LFST RB3000: and beings do exist, why would we want to find them, and then *how*?

HOST LFST RB3000: It's interesting to me that theoretical physics (as well as genetic biology)

HOST LFST RB3000: is getting so close to having to admit that the Other World exists, because

HOST LFST RB3000: they are running out of "plausible" explanations.

HOST LFST RB3000: But they are still holding out for a random, mechanical, chance,

HOST LFST RB3000: meaningless and narrow "unifying principle" which, to me, is a

HOST LFST RB3000: contradiction in terms.

HOST LFST RB3000: Suggested reading for tonight's class: In Search of the Miraculous by P.D.

HOST LFST RB3000: Ouspensky, the Bible, the Bhagavad Gita, the Upanishads, the Vedas, the

HOST LFST RB3000: Koran, Rumi's verses, Homer, 1001 Nights; The Hidden Gospel by Neil

HOST LFST RB3000: Douglas-Klotz, The Cosmic Serpent by Jeremy Narby, The Invisible

HOST LFST RB3000: Landscape and The Archaic Revival by McKenna, and Bullfinch or any of

HOST LFST RB3000: Joseph Campbell's books on mythology.

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, FRIENDS, let's hear your ideas about which explanations really make

HOST LFST RB3000: sense to us. Go right ahead now, please. ...

RealmLady: there are many contradictions in terms in this world.....

RochelleDo: Perhaps they do not exist until we believe in them.

RochelleDo: Sort of like TinkerBell.

NTASantaFe: I like to simplify - simply being spirit energy - nothing more nor less

RealmLady: If someone asked me today if I believe in God....I'd say yes, but not the christian god....

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, good way to put it! "The world IS what we think it is." :)

RealmLady: I don't believe that if God is love, he is also condemning and judgemental and will ever

RealmLady: punish me......

Frostbitten Blue: I tend to think god is the same in all religions, just tainted by differeing perceptions

RealmLady: for pure love neither condemns nor judges, nor punishes....

StellaWolf: ::still pondering the question::

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, God doesn't need to -- don't we punish ourselves just fine? :)

RealmLady: we sure do RB3K

RealmLady: true Frostbitten

Frostbitten Blue: I agree, Realm

DCizunas: An interesting comment on that, the pope is soon

DCizunas: to announce that consulting a medium is the way

DCizunas: to contact the deceased and will not be a motal

DCizunas: sin

RochelleDo: The otherwould is there but cannot be seen if one does not know how to look.

NTASantaFe: NASSA is using the ancient star charts of aborigionals 30,000 years old science

HOST LFST RB3000: <-- Believes that God looks down on everything we do, and smiles. :)

RochelleDo: down?

Frostbitten Blue: <--- believes god smiles inside us and all around us

HOST LFST RB3000: Frostbitten Blue, I liked your comment :)

RealmLady: as in from above i believe he means

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, which is the very point of this class :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Yes, "down from above", although I don't really believe in "up" or "down" :)

HOST LFST RB3000: (nor "before" and "after" for that matter :)

RealmLady: there is only "now"

RealmLady: and there is only "here"

HOST LFST RB3000: RealmLady, amen! :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Two weeks from now: Levels of Being, trance states, dimensions, parallel realities

HOST LFST RB3000: and worlds of the supernatural.

HOST LFST RB3000: Suggested reading: In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky; A

HOST LFST RB3000: Separate Reality, The Eagle's Gift, The Fire from Within and The Art of

HOST LFST RB3000: Dreaming by Castaneda; Being in Dreaming by Florinda Donner-Grau; any

HOST LFST RB3000: of Lynn Andrews' first six books; The Kin of Ata are Waiting for You; and

HOST LFST RB3000: The Dancing Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukav.

HOST LFST RB3000: So please read all these books before the next class-- there will be a quiz :)

RochelleDo: much of these ideas I have learned from Mist of Avalon by Marion Zimmer Bradley.

StellaWolf: wow, I haven't read Andrews in ages

RealmLady: ty RB3k.....and i liked your comment too Frostbitten

StellaWolf: Nice book list, as usual, 3k :)

RochelleDo: Thank you 3k, fascinating stuff :)) :::mutters it had to be the week UK

RochelleDo: clocks went ahead and US didnt yet:::

HOST LFST RB3000: StellaWolf, shucks :)

RealmLady: oh yeah.......i got tons of time to read tons of books.......lol......"not"

StellaWolf: I'll tape my answers to the back of Realmie's chair :)

Frostbitten Blue: geeze, I'd hope they're small books lol

HOST LFST MikeB: read Dancing Wu Li Masters years ago.. will have to dig it out

HOST LFST RB3000: Frostbitten Blue, not especially small, sorry :)

RealmLady: *turns around and looks at stella*

Graciee: 3K, great class as always!

RochelleDo: good night everyone, thank you all :))

StellaWolf: ::smiles pretty::

HOST LFST RB3000: Remember, the next class is in TWO weeks. :)

Graciee: Night Rochelle

HOST LFST RB3000: FIFEVermilionSky, LOL

Graciee: {{{{HEart and MikeB}}}}}}}

HOST LFST MikeB: April 12th is the date of the next class

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, friends -- I'm amazed and flabbergasted that you stuck with me for

HOST LFST RB3000: this long, this late. My admiration and love for you all. :)

StellaWolf: back atcha 3k ;) thanks hosties!

DCizunas: Will be there, thanks for the great insights

Frostbitten Blue: Goodnight, LFST

HOST LFST RB3000: Sweet dreams, all. <poof>

HOST LFST Heart: Namaste' all

StellaWolf: remind me to remind you to do a mythology class ;)

Log Entry: The New Age [Members - 12] 3/29/2001 09:38 PM