Awakening in God-Consciousness, class #3

© 2001, Barry M Klein, Los Angeles

 

Log Entry:  The New Age [Members - 18] 4/12/2001 08:01 PM

HOST LFST Energy: {{{3G}}}

Graciee:    {{{{{{{{{{{{RB3000}}}}}}}}}}

HOST LFST RB3000: Good evening, dear friends  :)

DevineAngelDiva:  What you Guys are talking about

HOST LFST MikeB:  Hi Fifebunnie

Goddess Freedom:  Good evening RB

HOST LFST RB3000: DevineAngelDiva, we're about to start our Thursday night class on Awakening.

HOST LFST RB3000: Tonight's subject is Levels of Being, trance states, dimensions, parallel realities and worlds of the supernatural. 

Goddess Freedom:  Cool

Bayingwolf: What a mouthfull RB

Bayingwolf: and a brain full

HOST LFST RB3000: ONCE WE START THE CLASS, in a couple of minutes, we'll be in semi-protocol, which means that I roll out a few ideas, and then we open the floor for discussion on those points.

HOST LFST RB3000: THE CLASS will last about 1-1/2 hours.  :)

HOST LFST RB3000: If you have any question on procedures, please IM one of the hosts, Heart or MikeB.  :)

HOST LFST RB3000: The format of this class is semi-protocol, which just means that,

HOST LFST RB3000: instead of free discussion, I take a minute to roll out a few idea

HOST LFST RB3000: points, and then we open the floor to discuss those points.

rochelle1229:     Good evening((((((((((((((wolf))))))))))))

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, ready if you are  :)

HOST LFST Heart:  ready

HOST LFST MikeB:  ready

HOST LFST RB3000: Last week we got down to some of the finer points and mechanisms of spiritual and mystical practices. Many of the words I use may sound paradoxical or convoluted in explaining these areas.

HOST LFST RB3000: A clarification I always make is "ecstatic-mystical trances" -- we'll talk more about these in future classes, but for now I'll just point out that I am not using the colloquial nor the psychological meanings of these words.

HOST LFST RB3000: "Ecstatic" does not mean "really happy", "mystical" does not mean exotic or orthodox, nor is it necessarily mysterious. The "trances" that I am talking about are not from watching a pendulum or a twirling spiral; they are conscious shifts into alternate realities by one's own intent.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: FRIENDS, before we start the actual class, I'll just take a minute  to review what we've done so far, which is the practices that  allow us to change our position of consciousness.  I do recognize that the contents of this class are generally learned painfully, over lifetimes, but we can see where we are going, to some extent.

HOST LFST RB3000: It really does take doing daily practices to be able to assimilate this kind of material, so I'll just quickly summarize the ones that I know, to get you started:

HOST LFST RB3000: "Just Sitting" -- there is a special reason that I don't say "meditation" for this.  Mantras -- toning, chanting, repetitious singing, and "silences" of a certain kind.

HOST LFST RB3000: Pranayama-- the mystical octaves of the Breath; the activation of the Serpents; the aspiration of the deities.

HOST LFST RB3000: Asanas and Mudras: These are specific positions and movements of the body and of the hands which allow various kinds of energies and healings to be channelled, and which tone the psychic and spiritual apparatus.

HOST LFST RB3000: T'ai Ch'i, K'ung F'u, Ch'i Kung and sacred dance -- methods of installing the dimensionalities of consciousness into the body.

HOST LFST RB3000: Making appointments with oneself -- gradually developing self-knowledge and will.

HOST LFST RB3000: Taking our daily inventory -- sometimes called "recapitulation" or "reversing the day".

HOST LFST RB3000: Work against negativity and against the inner "conversation" -- this develops will, silent power, presence and freedom.

HOST LFST RB3000: Humility, service and devotion -- this has nothing to do with altruism or philanthropy; these tasks are necessary for reversing the flow of self-pity and self-absorption, which are the chief obstacles to Knowledge and Power.  In fact, they are the only aspects which even can be "evil."

HOST LFST RB3000: ********  OK, are there any questions or comments about the basic practices so far, or about the structure of the whole class?

Goddess Freedom:  Are these practices equally exchangeable or are they different somehow?

InnerVision2:     Seems we must have previous terminology—

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, each one does something different, although groups of them concern alchemy, or Will, or trance states, or control...

Iteachwriting:    So this is a class on perrenial philosophies?

HOST LFST RB3000: Iteachwriting, not really-- it is specifically on How to Awaken from Illusion.

Goddess Freedom:  So all involve awareness.

HOST LFST RB3000: Iteachwriting, I make use of ancient teachings, and also on channeled material.

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, yes, our Highest Awareness.  :)

Goddess Freedom:  <~~~smiling because she understands

HOST LFST RB3000: <-- works all these practices into *everything* I do.  :)

Graciee:    3K, everday>

Graciee:    you do this everyday 3K??

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, all day, every day, every hour.  I try to see the lesson in everything that happens.

Goddess Freedom:  Even this? :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, this, and this, and then *this*!  :)

Iteachwriting:    I studied some of this stuff in school: Christian mysticism, Sufism-mindfulness practices.

Graciee:    aaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh, ok ::smiles:::

HOST LFST RB3000: Iteachwriting, great-- are you still practicing them?

Iteachwriting:    No. Sorry to say not.

HOST LFST RB3000: Iteachwriting, *NOW* is always a good time to start.  :)

Goddess Freedom:  roflmao

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HOST LFST RB3000: Iteachwriting, what's the good of "knowing about" practices or lineages or techniques???  Why are we here, "on the earth"?

HOST LFST RB3000: Or any of the rest of youse all.  :)

HOST LFST Energy: Did it ever occur to you to practice these methods?

HOST LFST Energy: Iteachwriting?

Iteachwriting:    Learning is an end-in-itself, LFST.

Goddess Freedom:  There is a saying--Knowing and not doing is the same as not knowing.

InnerVision2:     To experience in the physical---is why we are here

InnerVision2:     in the material plane

HOST LFST Energy: Good point Goddess Freedom :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, that's about it, all right.  Iteachwriting, this is not to put you down at all -- hardly anybody keeps it going.

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, let's move on a little bit now.  Hold comments for a minute please ...........

HOST LFST RB3000: Two weeks ago, we examined how the entrained prejudices of our societal norms prevent us from seeing the supernatural right before our very eyes.

HOST LFST RB3000: It is tantamount to our being as ignorant as the most superstitious primitives, except that they very often are aware of the unseen forces of the world. Their mythologies even include stories of astronomical or microscopic events that our own "advanced" technologies are first becoming sensitive to.

HOST LFST RB3000: In contrast, our own mythologies keep us going through empty rituals and subscribing to the most obvious propaganda that denies the existence of anything that is not itemized in "standard reality" and "common sense."

HOST LFST RB3000: Even those of us who are most aware and sensitive are in deep illusion, according to teachings that have come down to us in all the lineages and traditions. What is it that we are not seeing?

HOST LFST RB3000: What are we missing about ourselves and about each other? What could the Real World be like?  How would we have to change in order to know it?

HOST LFST RB3000: **** Go ahead now please -- what do you think?

RochelleDo: Becoming totally aware?

RochelleDo: Perhaps it defeats the purpose for out being here.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, that would be our ultimate goal -- what would the steps be?

Goddess Freedom:  I think we get caught up in our separateness and forget our oneness.

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, bingo!  Would we even *have* a "world" if we lost our separateness?

HOST LFST Energy: Are we so caught up in what we think we need to be that we overlook what we are?

RochelleDo: to experience.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, how could our purpose defeat itself?

RochelleDo: To find the answers too soon.

OnlineHost: Body plan has entered the room.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, what if there really are no answers?

Graciee:    We would need to be open minded enough to explore all avenues and

Graciee:    take a big leap of faith ..Trusting in that..which we can not see, touch, or feel......Unless of course we do "see" beyond.

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, I don't find that anyone has undertaken such a journey out of "openmindedness" -- the ones who really go do so out of desperation mostly. :)

Goddess Freedom:  RB3000 it would be the world of one, the eternity of all that is.

HOST LFST Energy: Goddess Freedom, if that is so, why are we here.......what are we missing?

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, of course there are those who *see* by accident of some sort, but hardly any of those people do more with it for themselves.

InnerVision2:     Why do you say that RB?

OnlineHost: FIFEVermilionSky has entered the room.

Graciee:    Open minded in being able to "believe"... 

Bayingwolf: I agree RB

Goddess Freedom:  We sometimes miss the pathway to oneness.  We are here to find the various way to it.

HOST LFST RB3000: InnerVision, they do healings, or they teach techniques, or they channel some entity, but they don't really transform themselves.

Graciee:    3k, lots of things have happened to me and yes..i have had to be open enough..to allow it...

HOST LFST RB3000: Graciee, but sometimes we are *not* so open, right?  When the going gets too rough?

HOST LFST Energy: What would be along that pathway?

InnerVision2:     define--transform please--

Goddess Freedom:  Energy, ourselves and our experiences to help remind us.

HOST LFST Energy: I totally agree with you Goddess Freedom, you are very wise. :)

InnerVision2:     transform to a spirital being--?

Bayingwolf: Or only opened when we feel the need......RB

HOST LFST RB3000: InnerVision, surrender to the change -- like being nailed to our own cross.

Goddess Freedom:  Thanks Energy, but I am not that wise, I am just on a path.

HOST LFST Energy: What about our interaction with others, could this be leading us astray?

Body plan:  why transforn to a spirital being we are that already

HOST LFST RB3000: Bayingwolf, when it's "convenient" to "open"???  We don't really know what's going on, any more than our dogs & cats do, I find. 

HOST LFST RB3000: But that's why we have patron saints and spirit guides, right?

Bayingwolf: exactly

Goddess Freedom:  Energy, there is always that possibility, but without the contrast and distraction, we might

Iteachwriting:    I've always liked Emerson's explanation of the oversoul: that we're not seperate egos but expressions of one consciousness.

Goddess Freedom:  never know what is being led astray.

Iteachwriting:    (sic)

Goddess Freedom:  Energy, every time I get off my path, I am reminded why I was on it to begin with.

HOST LFST RB3000: FRIENDS, THOSE are all great comments -- now let's go ahead a bit more with tonight's subject -- please hold comments for a minute now.  .....................

HOST LFST RB3000: I wonder if anyone of us remembers our childhood "fantasies" and "imaginary friends"? Did we just invent little worlds to play in, or were we really *remembering* them?  Do you remember every time an adult or an older child told us that what we were seeing, or what we knew, was "nonsense"?

HOST LFST RB3000: Many children report experience with "little people" (elves, faeries, leprachauns, etc.), although I never did until a half-century later. I think it must take a certain innocence to see them, and it is only recently that I have (re)developed such a viewpoint -- by doing the very practices that I am describing to you.

HOST LFST RB3000: Other people see ghosts, phantoms, ETs, UFOs -- are even abducted by them.  Are they delusional, or are there realms of experiences that are going right past us?  Are people who are insane or who are blown out on drugs merely hallucinating, or is their very insanity what moves the masking apparatus out of the way?

HOST LFST RB3000: But of course we don't talk about any of that, even to ourselves lest we be thought a crackpot, so that whenever we do catch a glimpse of something "unexplainable" (that is, it does not fit into one of the approved categories of experience), we immediately and unconsciously erase it from our recollection -- we end up knowing nothing consciously, except that we are run by these erased phantoms. We could say that the unconscious may be entirely made up of "phantoms" that we've "erased."

HOST LFST RB3000: ***  WELL, FRIENDS, does all that seem plausible?  Let's hear from you now. .........

DCizunas:   3K, then when you advance and channel,

DCizunas:   channel your higher thoughts and not a guide?

Iteachwriting:    Or repressed.

Addieessie: of course we talk of this host! more & more i think... awareness is growing all around me -

Goddess Freedom:  That is an interesting question

Addieessie: or is it just me?

RochelleDo: Conditioning can be mighty hard to overcome.

Goddess Freedom:  On the one hand we have greater awareness and that makes us open to spirit.

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JLook91968: folks often repress childhood memories for a good reason

HOST LFST Energy: RochelleDo, What conditions us, once we are free to think for ourselves?

Addieessie: you mentioned "practices" host... such as?

Goddess Freedom:  On the other hand we have powerful minds that can create a lot of stuff.

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, I used to think there was no diff between "Higher Thoughts' and "my Guide" -- but I am finding out that I have specific Guides that are not at all part of my identity.

RochelleDo: WE used to play "pretend" but we knew it was just play.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, yes, that's why we do small daily practices -- we can change only teeny by little. :)

RochelleDo: ah, Energy, then we can begin to see again, perhaps :)

HOST LFST Energy: RochelleDo, did we know it was play?  Most children feel it is very real, IMHO :)

HOST LFST MikeB:  some people are more perceptive than others.  or

HOST LFST MikeB:  fear may be blocking some from seeing and talking

HOST LFST MikeB:  to guides...

JLook91968: 3K... if those imagined entities don't belong to you, who does own them?

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, they are not imagined, just not part of my illusion of myself.

Iteachwriting:    Go back to the prologue to Wordsworth's "Ode to Immortality"--"The child is father to the man."

HOST LFST RB3000: Iteachwriting, and vice versa, I find. :)

RochelleDo: I always played faireys, my favourite thing but I knew my wand did not really do magick.

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, yes, my own healings have put me into therapy each time.

Addieessie: mine did rochelle :)

Iteachwriting:    Kids don't have a fear of seeming goofy.

HOST LFST Energy: Good point Iteachwriting, what constitutes goofy? :)

DCizunas:   3K, but are you saying that you will not need

DCizunas:   these unique guides when you advance further?  Or

DCizunas:   are they collaborators?

FIFEVermilionSky: i made houses for fairys

RochelleDo: I envy you, Addieessie

Addieessie: i have these strange flshbacks now... to that time...

JLook91968: lol... but they aren't anyone elses either, right?

OnlineHost: StellaWolf has entered the room.

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, I have advanced further recently, and now is when I first do need these guides -- later I'll have more help from Jesus, Buddha, etc.

JLook91968: 3K... I think they are you... you just haven't been formally introduced yet  :))

Iteachwriting:    Goofy is eccentric or outide of the box.

OnlineHost: Judrah has entered the room.

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, well, I suppose it'll be different for each of us -- the main thing is to prepare our own apparatus as well as we can.

InnerVision2:     All seems like common sense to me....why is this concept difficult for some?

LFST RB3000:      InnerVision, I find that it's especially difficult for those of us who think we understand :)

Goddess Freedom:  But RB3000, you are saying there are different types of guides.

JLook91968: apparatus?

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, "apparatus" is what our instrument becomes when we have cleansed and healed and sacrificed and attuned and taken on our allies and spirit tasks, etc. :)

RochelleDo: Without such early conditionings perhaps my magick would have been real, Addueessue]

Goddess Freedom:  There are personal guides, guides for humanity, etc...

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, for sure-- allies, spirits, divine beings, HOST FIFEVermilionSky:  yes there are each stage of path

InnerVision2:     ah--the more I know--the more I know--I don't know : )

saints, deities of other types, "God" ...

Goddess Freedom:  Inner, that is sooooo true

Goddess Freedom:  Inner as Socrates said, the only thing I know is that I know nothing.

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, but even that's not true. :)

FIFEVermilionSky: you can grow out of guides need new ones

InnerVision2:     the vastness of it all can be overwhelming--

Goddess Freedom:  Yes Fife, I have heard that new guides are assigned when you advance

JLook91968: 3k... no offence intended... but I have no idea what you just meant

Goddess Freedom:  Well RB3000, I was told by a medium recently that additional guides had been assigned to me.

Goddess Freedom:  Whether it's true is another thing. :)

UNANA:      So Goddess Freedom, are your progressing, using this advantage ?

Goddess Freedom:  Unana, I hope so...:)

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, what we are *told* by two-legged opinionators of any stripe, or even by our own "entities", is all suspect, and has to be confirmed. ...

FIFEVermilionSky: I'm breaking in new one too

Goddess Freedom:  RB3000 agreed.

HOST LFST RB3000: ...  I require my Guides to give me three miraculous confirmations before I even begin to believe.  :)

UNANA:      like what, 3K?

Goddess Freedom:  RB3000, but isn't that pestering them?

OnlineHost: Spirit1knows has entered the room.

EaglWarrior:      you cant pester yours guides

HOST LFST RB3000: UNANA, like the same message coming in on the phone, and then right away on the radio, on a billboard, and something else that suddenly surfaces.  :)

UNANA:      3K, that happens to me all the time

EaglWarrior:      thats why they're there:)

UNANA:      it just happened to me today

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, our Guides have been waiting around for us to pester them *forever* like geniis in the bottle. :)

RochelleDo: ah the lovely synchronicity

InnerVision2:     as coincidences--

FIFEVermilionSky: that now it happens

Goddess Freedom:  Understood RB3000

HOST LFST RB3000: UNANA, you see?  You are getting your confirmations.  Besides, the more we "pester" them, the stronger they get.

HOST LFST RB3000: My own world is almost entirely miraculous for me now, because I don't stop pestering Spirit.  :)

UNANA:      3K, I have not asked for confirmations of any kind

HOST LFST RB3000: UNANA, but you are getting them, which is great.

FIFEVermilionSky: they show you more tell you more

Goddess Freedom:  Point well taken RB3000 :)

FIFEVermilionSky: bugging them

WigwamLady: Pestering Spirit??  How does one do that anyway?

HOST LFST RB3000: FIFEVermilionSky, "The more you ask of Me / The more I have to give you..."

Goddess Freedom:  You poke'em a lot... LOL

WigwamLady: LOL   Goddess:-)

FIFEVermilionSky: lol ty 3000

HOST LFST RB3000: WigwamLady, invoke, pray, meditate, look for them, listen for them, do vision quests, fasts, chanting, etc, etc.

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WigwamLady: RB ok thank you

JLook91968: or just get real quiet and listen to that little voice inside  :)

WigwamLady: AMEN   JLook

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, FRIENDS, I think you're all getting the idea now.  Let's take our subject further now ...............

HOST LFST RB3000: Of course madness and addiction are neither recommended nor do they produce desireable and repeatable results.  Religious fanatics like fire- and glass walkers, snake and flame handlers and those who pierce their flesh with painful-looking spikes, and also pentacostal and voudou worshippers, experience fairly consistent supernatural results, but they are generally not in complete control of the outcome, which may not even be very desireable.

HOST LFST RB3000: (Amen)

HOST LFST RB3000: An alternative is to undertake the disciplines of genuine esoteric lineages.  These can be identified by their gradualness of approach, a consistent framework of knowledge or ideas of some kind (in contrast to some canned dogma to subscribe to), and attention directed toward modification of one's own conduct, attitudes, thought processes and methods for handling the emotions. This in contrast to any of the separatist beliefs (like "democracy") that anything is "somebody's fault" or that some political action is the answer to our "problems."

HOST LFST RB3000: The *emotions* that I spoke of handling, just now, are not actually *feelings* -- tradition has determined that all of our "pain", "suffering", "anger", "grief" and even what we call "love" are exactly made up of some initial trigger of energy or juxtaposition with no intrinsic value content, but then we damage ourselves with our "story" about it that is part of our over-riding program of self-pity and judgment.

HOST LFST RB3000: That is why, when we become silent, pain stops -- even the world stops!  Only the Moment remains, full of potential energy and even Power. Each of these triggers, without the attached story-program, can take us to the world beyond, to the promised land, to Shangri-La. Or to the undreamt-of Mystery.

HOST LFST RB3000: ***** WELL, FRIENDS, what are your own experiences with processes and ideas like these?  Open floor on this topic now, let's hear your ideas on it.  .....................

Goddess Freedom:  It is only in silence that I rememberGoddess Freedom, ta- DA!

JLook91968: 3K.... you're way over the edge I think

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, you don't even know how far over the edge ... :)

FIFEVermilionSky: can make pain stop by going someplace else in mind

HOST LFST Energy: RB3000, would it not be required to be self absorbed a bit to

HOST LFST Energy: gain control over the outcome?

Goddess Freedom:  LOL Jlook...he is at the right edge though...

Iteachwriting:    Accept emotions for what they are: little reminders that tell you you're still alive.

WigwamLady: FIFE yes you can

HOST LFST RB3000: FIFEVermilionSky, the trick is not to worry about *stopping* "pain", but to take the energy from it for ecstatic states of consciousness.

FIFEVermilionSky: is that what i do?

HOST LFST RB3000: Energy, it sure looks like it, but in fact we are defeating self-absorption.

JLook91968: Goddess... there are always a variety of perspectives to consider  :)

HOST LFST RB3000: -- Doing these spirit tasks always has us ending up serving humanity, if only anonymously and humbly.

HOST LFST Energy: I have cling issues <g>

Trish071951:      are we not allowing the energy to take us where it will, rather than waste it on ego

HOST LFST Energy: Which is the way serving should be

WigwamLady: Trish you think so?

HOST LFST Energy: Great point Trish

Trish071951:      I think when we let go, blank out our minds, go within, we build energy, open

HOST LFST RB3000: Trish, yes, exactly right.  :)

Trish071951:      when we open such as this, we are capable of so many things-let go of all that has held us back

HOST LFST RB3000: Trish, you're well prepared, obviously.  Good work.  :)

Trish071951:      I keep trying RB

WigwamLady: Classes can help one learn a lot of things, but one's heart is made by God

HOST LFST RB3000: VERY GOOD COMMENTS AND experiences, everyone.  Now let's go on with our lesson tonight ..........  please hold comments once more for a minute. ..................

HOST LFST RB3000: It is curious to me that our "rational, scientific" culture thinks that there is one common reality and one normal state of consciousness.  It allows that people can be put into trance or drugged, or that they can go mad, but anything that they experience in these states is regarded as hallucination.

HOST LFST RB3000: What we do not realize is that in our "normal, standard consciousness," we are constantly going from one trance to another, from the moment we wake up in the morning.  Our dreams at night may in fact be more conscious than our "waking life."

HOST LFST RB3000: Every advertisement triggers us, everything that somebody says, everything reminds us of something that we then dwell upon, and forget where we are.

HOST LFST RB3000: Amazingly, we have learned to get by, even brilliantly, by adopting a mask which filters all our inputs and returns "responses" from our stock of proper categories. In fact, if something does not happen to fit in one of those categories, it does not exist for our "conscious" mind!

HOST LFST RB3000: In shamanic traditions, by contrast, (and in these I include the origins of all the major religions), a practitioner puts him or herself into various specific trances, even to the point of what we would normally call insane, and then conduct healings, receive visions, and bring back teachings and prophecies which are regarded as highly valuable to their people.

HOST LFST RB3000: Further, in lineages of genuine Ancient Knowledge (which does not merely mean "old"), it is possible to attain much higher states of consciousness by assembling "higher bodies" and by switching on the "higher minds."

HOST LFST RB3000: This refers to the astral, mental and causal bodies, as they are referred to in some traditions, which are the vessels of the higher emotional, higher mental and the cosmic minds.

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HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, FRIENDS -- those are all the main ideas I want to put out to you for now -- please share your thoughts and experiences on them ...........

WigwamLady: RB we can not ever forget where we are

Goddess Freedom:  Energy I think my tender heartedness is about my compassion. This helps with my oneness.

WigwamLady: Goddess yes it  does

InnerVision2:     Imagine--utilizing our full brain capacity--is it possible that all this you speak of would

Goddess Freedom:  RB3000 are you confusing superconsciousness with consciousness

InnerVision2:     eb "Normal" in socity terms--?

HOST LFST RB3000: Energy, sorry I cut off your question earlier -- good point.  Finding a balance?

HOST LFST Energy: Goddess Freedom, but does it prevent you from "switching to the higher mind"?

HOST LFST Heart:  3K, have you found it helpful, to have

HOST LFST Heart:  daily meditation time and prayer........to

HOST LFST Heart:  just be "still" in order to hear the

HOST LFST Heart:  messages given to you?

RochelleDo: Subliminal seductions happens all the

RochelleDo: time with mundane things, perhaps we

RochelleDo: do best trying it with more important

RochelleDo: things such as this.

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, not "confusing" -- I just reserve the word Consciousness for Total Consciousness, because I don't regard how we walk around as conscious at all!  :)

Goddess Freedom:  Energy no, because compassion is about recognizing oneness that is the higher mind.

HOST LFST RB3000: Heart, not just helpful -- essential!  Else I go into madness.

Trish071951:      even day dreaming has a purpose-various actions can enable higher/deeper thought

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, good way to put it.

DCizunas:   Can't we still be civil to the populace while

DCizunas:   dwelling in those special places simultaneously?

HOST LFST Heart:  good...thought it was just necessary for me :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Trish, unless we become too absorbed in day-dreaming, right?

Trish071951:      true, RB

HOST LFST RB3000: Trish, how can we control that?  Not get too absorbed?

HOST LFST Energy: I believe so DCizunas, but does everyone?

Trish071951:      by getting out of self-letting things flow through, RB

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, not only *can* we, but "being civil" is an essential spiritual task for many of us.

HOST LFST RB3000: ... It is often called "external considering" or "stalking" or "being mindful"

DCizunas:   And yet our mind dwells in another place?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, and that's done with a big platform of quietness, stillness.

HOST LFST RB3000: Trish, can we monitor ourselves in our dreams and trances?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, nope-- our minds stay flat-out present HERE NOW, no wool-gathering at all!

HOST LFST RB3000: (but still contain the miraculous supernatural at one and the same time somehow)

Trish071951:      yes, with practice, RB, I set myself up prior to dreaming, meditation-thinking of myself on

Trish071951:      a higher plane/thought level

HOST LFST RB3000: Trish, how do you do that?

Trish071951:      by thinking it prior to sleep or meditation-not certain how it works, but has for many years

DCizunas:   3K, so then like addressing a group

DCizunas:   where not all are in a physical form?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, I guess so  :)

DCizunas:   <~~~~Actually prefer the quietude when I can

DCizunas:   cease physical specck

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, do you find you get telepathic and empathic then?

HOST LFST RB3000: SexualPotency, we just went thru that for an hour-- the log will be available soon, but we'll try to synopsize...

HOST LFST RB3000: (Friends, You might like to try and find some of the books and movies that I recommend, and I'd love to hear your own favorites as well --when you write to me, I'd appreciate seeing a synopsis of their main ideas, and what perspective they seem to be coming from.)

DCizunas:   3K, seems like I am always in that mode, however

DCizunas:   just easier to manage if I do not have to make small talk

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, I agree :)

HOST LFST Energy: DCizunas, So you try to avoid the inner clutter?

OnlineHost: Lorinaz has entered the room.

Goddess Freedom:  DiCizuans, it sound liske you are conserving chi is all.

Goddess Freedom:  *like

DCizunas:   Energy, inner clutter has been taken away...seems

DCizunas:   I can function simultaneously on physical and

DCizunas:   etheric levels

DCizunas:   Goddess, I try to conserve all that I can...LOL!!

HOST LFST RB3000: (Suggested reading for this class: All and Everything by G.I.Gurdjieff, In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky; A Separate Reality, The Eagle's Gift, The Fire from Within and The Art of Dreaming by Castaneda; Being in Dreaming by Florinda Donner-Grau; any of Lynn Andrews' first six books; The Kin of Ata are Waiting for You;

HOST LFST RB3000: Communion by Whitley Strieber; Empire Star by Samuel Delany; any of the books of Piers Anthony; Job and The Number of the Beast by Robert Heinlein; Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East by Baird T. Spaulding; and The Dancing Wu Li Masters by Gary Zukav.)

HOST LFST Energy: RB3000, is there something in particular one should start with?

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HOST LFST RB3000: Energy, no -- just browse and see what grabs you.  :)

DCizunas:   Energy, probably so...earthly beings seem much

DCizunas:   alike in everyday life and speech is simply a courtesy

HOST LFST RB3000: (Films to see on this subject: The Matrix, Sixth Sense, Dark City, Jacob's Ladder, Altered States, John Boorman's Emerald Forest, Faeries (an obscure British film), Zardoz, John Carpenter's They Live, Resurrection (the old version with Ellen Burstyn), Fanny and Alexander, The Astronaut's Wife, The Butcher's Wife, Contact, El Topo and Man Facing Southeast (two obscure Mexican films), Ghostbusters, Friday the 13th, The Wizard of Oz, and House of Cards (with Kathleen Turner and Tommy Lee Jones).

HOST LFST RB3000: Have any of you seen those movies?

FIFEVermilionSky: some

FMalo1:     fanny and alexander

HOST LFST MikeB:  I remember resurection with Ellen Bursten

HOST LFST Energy: I have seen a number of them, noting others for weekend viewing ;)

HOST LFST MikeB:  Ghost Busters of course :)

OST LFST RB3000:  HOST LFST MikeB, surprisingly, yes -- and the sequel. :)

Redhead370: Sixth sense

Goddess Freedom:  I have seen many of the movies you suggested RB3000

Waheyleah:  seen the first two

Goddess Freedom:  The Fifth Element is also good.

HOST LFST RB3000: Goddess Freedom, oh thanks -- I forgot that one -- saw it six times!

HOST LFST Energy: Stir of Echos was also very good

HOST LFST RB3000: Energy, I don't know that one.

HOST LFST Energy: Kevin Bacon, same time frame as Sixth Sense, dealt with hypnosis

RochelleDo: Solaris was on yesterday but I only saw a bit of it, saw it yeas ago and didnt comprehend.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, I think I saw Solaris -- it's like a cheap sci-fi movie with surprising ideas?

RochelleDo: it is an old Russian one 3k but won awards

HOST LFST RB3000: (Two weeks from now: Self-Awareness -- using the disciplines of self-study to defeat the ego and to create the Dream Double, the Astral Body, and the Platform of intent.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Suggested reading: In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky; Journey to Ixtlan, Tales of Power, Second Ring of Power and The Power of Silence by Castaneda; The Sorcerer's Crossing by Taisha Abelar; Be Here Now by Ram Dass, Babel-17 by Samuel Delany, and Our Life with Mr. Gurdjieff by Thomas and Olga deHartmann.)

HOST LFST RB3000: (I read each of those books in a couple of all-nighters :)

RochelleDo: Impressive, 3k!!!

RochelleDo: wish I could

HOST LFST Energy: Yikes, RB3000...........do they have them in video form <g>

HOST LFST RB3000: Energy, I wish.  :)

RochelleDo: takes me ages to read what I wish to absorbe

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, that's the trick-- staying up all night-- other parts of our brain-mind kick in, see?

RochelleDo: I do stay up all night...its 5:22 right now :)

HOST LFST Energy: I keep fighting it RB :)

RochelleDo: usually on the pc

Waheyleah:  I would like to think,,we see this without a book,that we all come this way

HOST LFST RB3000: Waheyleah, of course-- some of my best teachers were illiterate.

RochelleDo: yes, they always say the book is better than the film Energy

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, except I liked the movie "Contact" better than the book. :)

Waheyleah:  I believe each needs to follow themself

Waheyleah:  and we all have gifts which blend

HOST LFST RB3000: ... same with "2001"

HOST LFST Energy: I know RochelleDo, but it never helps if it goes unread :)

RochelleDo: and the book The Emerald Forest Rob Holdstock wrote FROM the film.

RochelleDo: but both are worthy

RochelleDo: yes, agree about Contact

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, same with "2001" -- the book was from the movie, I believe.

RochelleDo: ah, no

RochelleDo: no way, the book is way better

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, really?  I'll have to try it again. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, I think he lost it  with "2061" though.

RochelleDo: and 3001 is very simple but quite nice...you can tell he aged.

Waheyleah:  Yes I do 3k ,I see no reason but to be whom we r

FIFEVermilionSky: a walk in dream time a good book to read

HOST LFST RB3000: <-- didn't know there was a "3001" 

RochelleDo: oh yes

HOST LFST RB3000: FIFEVermilionSky, by whom?

RochelleDo: He is quite old now.

RochelleDo: intriguing title, Fife

FIFEVermilionSky: cant find it in my library must be in a room i dont know

HOST LFST RB3000: (Friends, don't mind me -- I'll be taking off now -- I really enjoyed you all :)

Goddess Freedom:  Love and light to all!

FIFEVermilionSky: well find     great book

RochelleDo: thanks 3k and hosties :))

HOST LFST Energy: Love and Light all!

Waheyleah:  nite 3k,,have a happy Easter

HOST LFST MikeB:  bye RB3000 have a good night

HOST LFST Heart:  Namaste' everyone take gentle care <bow>

HOST LFST RB3000: Remember ... TWO weeks for the next class.  :)

RochelleDo: Goodnight

HOST LFST RB3000: Oh, yes -- have a wonderful and *meaningful* holy day.  :)

Log Entry:  The New Age [Members - 16] 4/12/2001 09:30 PM