Awakening in God-Consciousness, class #6

2001, Barry M Klein, Los Angeles

 

Log Entry: The New Age [Members - 15] 5/24/2001 08:00 PM

SandyzBack: it's RB3000

HOST LFST RB3000: Good evening, dear friends :)

HOST LFST MikeB: Hi RB3000!

Eaglelovemother: what going on tonite?

HOST LFST MikeB: All ready here

Eaglelovemother: what is the talk tonite

HOST LFST MikeB: 6th Class of *Awakening*in*God*Consciousness*:

HOST LFST MikeB: How our work against negativity and internal chatter creates the Astral Jump.

HOST LFST RB3000: Last time we discussed How we cultivate negativity and pain, and how we can redirect those energies into ecstatic awareness. If you missed our earlier discussions on spiritual and mystical practices, I invite you to read the logs of our earlier sessions-- just write to me and I'll send you the links.

HOST LFST RB3000: I realize that tonight's subject sounds rather similar to the subject of session 5 which we discussed last time, but this really is a new subject, and I'll tell you why. Last time we discussed what negativity is -- what it is made up of -- and how we perpetuate it.

HOST LFST RB3000: This time we are examining what we can do about it innerly, and then express the results outerly as positivity, which looks like compassion, love, tolerance, creativity, delight, inclusiveness and zest.

HOST LFST RB3000: We are now about to begin the formal session of tonight's scheduled class, so we will be using informal protocol, sort of an "honor system" whereby you hold comments until I've had a chance to roll out a few paragraphs of an idea, and then we open the floor for discussion in each section.

DDreamtime: anything done in choice can be a joy

HOST LFST RB3000: We also ask that you take all personal chat and greetings into IMs so as not to interrupt the flow of the class. Much appreciated. :)

Promethean Zen: Hmm. So much comes down to choice. Interesting thought.

HOST LFST RB3000: Promethean Zen, yes, the difference is quite magical :)

HOST LFST RB3000: All right, then -- let us begin

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HOST LFST RB3000: First I'll try to explain what the title of tonight's subject means ... How our work against negativity and internal chatter creates the Astral Jump.

HOST LFST RB3000: In this class, in line with many of the world's great spiritual disciplines, I've been proposing that our lives and our consciousness are unnecessarily and completely run by unconscious mechanisms that we have installed in ourselves, and then suggesting what might be possible for us if we stop all those drains on our energy, and then reassembled our awareness so that it is unified and conscious.

HOST LFST RB3000: So tonight we will see if anything truly needs to be regarded as "negative" and we will find out whether we can subdue our constant internal commentary in order to discover how the world really is, and how we really are, instead of just our programmed commentary about our set beliefs and how victimized we are, and "what everybody must think about me."

HOST LFST RB3000: But what is this "astral jump" that we are purportedly aiming towards?

HOST LFST RB3000: Could it be that we have a complete other side of ourselves, running right alongside (or interleaved with) everything that we think is "our life", but which has extraordinary and supernatural senses, powers and attributes?

HOST LFST RB3000: What kinds of transformations or shocks would it take to "jump" or "somersault" or "phase-shift" into the "astral" or "the nagual" or "the other side"? Stay tuned and find out during the next hour.

HOST LFST RB3000: ****** Any comments or questions before we get going?

Cwhite6248: I agree about the running alonside

Cwhite6248: I believe the transformation comes from a different awareness than usual from looking

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, right-- a la Castaneda or Gurdjieff?

DCizunas: I'm having kind of static today because there

DCizunas: will be lot of outgo of $$ and little income to .

DCizunas: offset. I am at odds now and know I must regroup

DCizunas: while in sleep tonight.

DCizunas: ...anything else I might do?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, perhaps tonight's class will give you some ideas about it.

Cwhite6248: yes

DCizunas: 3K, that is why I come :)

Cwhite6248: also like Krishnamurti

Cwhite6248: especially for me

Cwhite6248: and Robert Persig

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, cool. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, friends, let's get on with it ... ONCE again, please hold comments till

HOST LFST RB3000: I've had a chance to roll out a few ideas for your consideration. :)

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HOST LFST RB3000: I claim that we don't ever witness reality -- what is really happening, what the world is really like. We think we "see" what's going on, and we think that what we "heard" was the truth, that we "touched" something solid, and this is a "fact," but it really only takes a simple experiment to prove to ourselves that all we ever "see" is what we already believe -- what we already have pre-set categories for.

HOST LFST RB3000: The same goes for our "thinking." I have this quotation up on my refrigerator: "A conclusion is when we got tired of asking questions." Our thoughts are entirely composed of such conclusions -- just wherever we got tired of holding the Question open.

HOST LFST RB3000: I just finished three years of grad school, and I had plenty of time to talk to researchers and scientists, and even those directly involved with brain, mind or cognition studies have only a narrow band of ideas along which they will think or examine.

HOST LFST RB3000: Anything outside of their professional band either doesn't exist for them or isn't relevant to them. The recently departed Douglas Adams, in one of his "Hitchhiker" books, said that invisibility is easily achieved by becoming "somebody else's problem." (He also said that flying is just falling, but missing the ground. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: .

HOST LFST RB3000: We go the same way as my researchers, but without even that much discipline. We can be talked into any sort of nonsense, as long as it has the general form of an "acceptable" idea in one's own culture. Advertisers make ample use of this fact to tie together completely unrelated notions so we will accept them, like sheep for the shearing.

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HOST LFST RB3000: If we ever question our own categories and belief structures, and extricate ourselves from their strangle-hold by becoming silent inside, we can witness what is really happening. Then things start appearing as synchronistic, telepathic, miraculous and nouminous -- freed from the cookie-cutter stamp by which we limit everything.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: Last time we talked about the content of our inner chatter -- now let's look at what else our inner noise is made up of. Much of our inner life is filled with fantasies and daydreams.

HOST LFST RB3000: How many times have we been driving, and then "came to" ("woke up") many miles from where we had last noticed our surroundings -- and then wondered who was doing all that driving in between.

HOST LFST RB3000: Much of our daydream-life is filled with sexual/romantic fantasies and reveries about what we would do if we won the lottery, etc. And this makes some sense, even though it distracts us from the meeting with the present Moment.

HOST LFST RB3000: .

HOST LFST RB3000: But we spend even more of our precious attention on morbid reflections of dread-- what might have happened, or what could happen to me or my loved ones, or how unfair something that did happen was.

HOST LFST RB3000: In fact, we spend so much of our energies on morbid thoughts that, as an economy, our body installs them as an automatic program so that we can call them up instantly, like a computer's background program, such as a virus checker.

HOST LFST RB3000: So we have all these pain-and-fear programs running in the background at all times, draining us, making us ill and, ultimately, killing us.

HOST LFST RB3000: .

HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- the floor is open for your ideas and questions about

HOST LFST RB3000: our background noise and how it runs our lives. Go right ahead now please

Cwhite6248: Our minds consciousness is a translation of reality that happened before we become aware usually

PaganStarShine: only if we could see the "WHOLE" picture, would we really see, we cannot comprehend it all.

JLook91968: that's seems to be a whole lot of negative perceptions

Cwhite6248: unfortunately my living partially in real time has its price people who arent there resent it

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, for sure! :)

JLook91968: 3K... it seems you see things much differently than I

LOREN KHAN: RB3000 well thought out and interesting

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, how does one live partially in realtime?

JLook91968: I'm a lot more positive lol

RochelleDo: Perhaps that background noise serves a purpose whilst

RochelleDo: we are still in the mode of needing to feel special.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, what might the purpose be?

LaNinaAngel: i call that "internal dialog"

LOREN KHAN: good point rochelle

Cwhite6248: There is a time when the uncensored reality comes into my vision and I live by it

JLook91968: maybe folks use inductive and deductive reasoning to examine potential

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, I completely understand. I was just reading in Aldous Huxley today about this dichotomy.

PaganStarShine: we need both realities to be healthy, peace & chaos, pain & joy.

Cwhite6248: I am aware of the mindal overlay

Cwhite6248: and therefore capable of quieting it at times

DCizunas: 3K, like that part was especially for me.....

DCizunas: ...(and I know it was prepared beforehand)

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, which part?

RochelleDo: the purpose of the ego growth?

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, apparently you've had a lot of discipline, right?

LaNinaAngel: i agree white - excellent

Cwhite6248: I don't know I just think a lot lol

Cwhite6248: Read J Krishnamurti and take a warm bath lol

JLook91968: 3K... so what was your field of study in grad school?

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, computer science -- got into neuroinformatics and AI a bit.

RochelleDo: That is difficult because part of it is necessary for confidence and growth?

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, I guess maybe to annoy us into making changes, eh?

RochelleDo: for sure 3k :)

Cwhite6248: here is a thought....deja=vu is merely memory of preconscious awareness

DCizunas: 3K, the chatter that shouldn't have turned up but

DCizunas: is prepreprogrammed..such as ya gotta have savings, etc.

Cwhite6248: I can prove that

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, try it this way-- deja vu is glimpse of parallel dimension...?

DCizunas: Actually, ya gotta have nothing because you have

DCizunas: all you need

LOREN KHAN: I believe we look at the gloom and doom side often is because we are

LOREN KHAN: finding routes around different gloom and doom senerios

HOST LFST RB3000: LOREN KHAN, the main thing is to realize our predicament and our sleep

HOST LFST RB3000: and ignorance so we can awaken and become illumined in bliss. :)

Cwhite6248: I've had deja-vu last for twenty minutes and suddenly realized it was like reverb

Cwhite6248: I doubt parallel dimension

Cwhite6248: I just sense that we are not looking closely enough inside our own heads

LOREN KHAN: oh..<whaps my forehead>

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, it's just a paradigm-- I find it more useful than sequential lifetimes.

Cwhite6248: right

DCizunas: Are you talking of physical or mental sleep?

Cwhite6248: I just try to keep it generic in a format of awareness

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, we will, we will :)

Cwhite6248: lol

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, spiritual sleep-- you'll see :)

Lightstrms: so the possibility exists, w/in your paradigm, of several parrallel dimensions..

HOST LFST RB3000: Lightstrms, infinite! :)

Cwhite6248: nice question Light

DCizunas: Understand...I use physical sleep to do more with

DCizunas: the mental me..:)

 

HOST LFST RB3000: GREAT comments, everyone. Now let us go a little further with our

HOST LFST RB3000: subject, and look at how we might set up different possibilities for

HOST LFST RB3000: ourselves, different realities.

HOST LFST RB3000: Once again, please hold comments for a couple of minutes till I can roll out

HOST LFST RB3000: the ideas I'd like you to think about.

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HOST LFST RB3000: THE GREAT IDEA from esoteric mysticism that will open up our possibilities is that *REALITY IS A FLUX WHOSE FLUID MOTIONS ARE DIRECTED BY OUR

HOST LFST RB3000: INTENT* so that, in effect, "waking consciousness" is not different from dreaming, which can be made lucid -- the "events" within it are called into play by our underlying wish (actually multilayered wishing).

HOST LFST RB3000: So we spend our lives stumbling through the flotsam and jetsam of our subconscious urges, regrets and fears.

HOST LFST RB3000: Remember last time we noticed that there is not really some special structure that is the "subconscious" but that it is merely the collection of everything we put away from our attention at each point in our experience -- that is, everything that we *consciously* decided not to deal with is still sitting there running us!

HOST LFST RB3000: So now we have the possibility of making brand-new conscious decisions on each of these leftovers. Obviously, "leftovers" can't make any overall decisions for the whole Self -- that is, when I say, "I wish I had advantages over you" or "I wish I was dead" or "I wish something horrible would happen to so-and-so", these are not the positions from which I want to decide my reality for my whole life.

HOST LFST RB3000: That's why we've been given all those tedious daily practices and exercises, which I hope you are all attempting -- to gradually build up independent positions of attention outside of our fractured programs.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: Once these are in place and stabilized, we can start working the magic, or we can say that the magic occurs automatically when we step outside of or stop the subconscious programs.

HOST LFST RB3000: BUT now, with a degree of independence and consistency to our assemblage of attention, how and why do we direct the course of our reality-dream? And what can we assemble in its place?

HOST LFST RB3000: All the mythologies and horror stories are filled with tales of what happens when someone gains access to the mechanisms of flux without having first cleaned up and unified the madness of their subconscious urges.

HOST LFST RB3000: All the conflicts within the ego become "kings for a minute" and cause havoc over the kingdom-of-the-self. "Real-world" examples include Hitler, Mansen, Jim Jones, Waco, Heaven's Gate and the horrors and atrocities of all the wars that we fight, both in the world and in ourselves, which include our addictions and justifications.

HOST LFST RB3000: .

HOST LFST RB3000: So we are opening up "Pandora's box", the "Ark of the Covenant", the "Tabernacle of the Gift", the Holy Grail -- and only the pure-and-innocent can witness their contents without instantly dying, frying, going berserk or murdering everyone. So I am going to assume that you'll all do your

HOST LFST RB3000: homework and attain the purification and unification that are required for proper handling of this Power.

HOST LFST RB3000: Now that I've warned you about the madness of the "subconscious", I'm going to sit here and tell you that it is the very contents of that madness that are the instruments and conductors of intelligent and compassionate directing of Power, by which I mean the ability to manipulate reality.

HOST LFST RB3000: FIRST of all, these "uncontrollable urges" are not just random accidents -- they are considered "laws" or "emanations" in esotericism; that is, the specific qualities of each of these *urgings-of-existence* are necessary for the construction of the universe and of Life, and are each directed by divine archetypes, or divinities.

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HOST LFST RB3000: This is the reason that each culture has a pantheon of gods and daemons -- to express the directions of these instruments of intent.

HOST LFST RB3000: So we have merely "perverted" the various forces of nature by the action of our *random will*. Because of what we are, it is necessary for us to have random exercise of will (erroneously referred to as "free will"), so this was bound to happen.

HOST LFST RB3000: NOW we will learn how to take unified control over our Random Will and, with Knowledge and Compassion, direct reality into a form that is pleasing, harmonious and self-consistent to us -- states of being which, in the past, we have called *the Kingdom* or *the Promised Land*.

HOST LFST RB3000: As promised, we will make a "treasure hunt" into our subconscious, precisely looking for materials that we never did know how to "handle" or integrate. Suppose I have a reaction that is triggered by any sort of criticism.

HOST LFST RB3000: My inner talking is programmed to remind me that "nobody likes me" and "I never do anything right" and "I am worthless and unloved."

HOST LFST RB3000: Now I delete this talking for a minute (using the methods we discussed in previous sessions) -- what do I have left without the narrative? I construct a substitute program and attach it to that same trigger.

HOST LFST RB3000: It's like "The Matrix" -- I watch the "criticism" come toward me in slow motion and feel where it enters my field as an energy construct. I observe as my programmed body-reaction rises up to meet it, silently, and now my new construct comes into play.

HOST LFST RB3000: I notice the change in my breathing, my metabolism and even what my eyes are doing. My energy organism rearranges itself along the "edge" of these new feelings. It feels "sharp" or "itchy" or even somewhat nauseating, perhaps, but without the old self-commentary, I can hold steady and just feel the energies arrange themselves.

HOST LFST RB3000: Now the third part of my new program operates -- it takes the original form

HOST LFST RB3000: as a set of contracts, like gratefulness instead of blame, and sets up a new

HOST LFST RB3000: alchemic process in me.

HOST LFST RB3000: This process allows metabolytes to accumulate gradually and, after

HOST LFST RB3000: enough similar experiences, I have enough of them to be able to perceive

HOST LFST RB3000: the desired new reality, perhaps one in which things fall into place better,

HOST LFST RB3000: where everyone has what they need, or where relationships are

HOST LFST RB3000: supportive and honest. Those would be some of my own examples.

HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- the floor is once again open for your ideas and

HOST LFST RB3000: questions about how we might assemble new positions of reality, and what

HOST LFST RB3000: happened to the old one. Go right ahead now please

Meemoe: like being afraid Of a Ghost. If you're not in pain and you're not in imminent danger

Cwhite6248: Not wanting anything, being detached, one sees there is very little to do -contentment

Meemoe: may be your Guide, your angel or GOD

Meemoe: we need to Just lose the Fear

Meemoe: There's nothing to fear except fear itself

Meemoe: the Lack of self respect Is the inability to love others

JLook91968: 3K... folks generally call that cognitive behavioral therapy

Cwhite6248: There is insecurity built into our instinct and hence we ideate The universe is not static

HOST LFST RB3000: JLook, I see the similarity, but there really is a difference. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, why call it insecurity? And what would you say is really instinctive?

Cwhite6248: insecurity in the sense that the organism(us) is mortal

Cwhite6248: instinctive are those urges you spoke of

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, yes, it is that very insecurity that drives us to achieve wonders, isn't it?

Cwhite6248: yes i don't mean negativity only

Lightstrms: CW,,,I think the insecurity of which you speak is also of the "old" attention...

DLewisSticky: JL: I participated in cog. therapy. It truly is good stuff.

Cwhite6248: Oh yes Lightstrms

DLewisSticky: I believe the insecurity has a root also.

HOST LFST RB3000: DLewisSticky, can you say how cognitive therapy is different from what I am proposing?

DLewisSticky: I believe the insecurity kicks in when we are feeling separate from the whole.

PaganStarShine: I agree DL!

Cwhite6248: DLewis or in any way off from expected goals

RochelleDo: would there be a place to allow insecurities as simply not being ready to move on?

Lightstrms: so the idea of Unity would be of first priority< DL?

Cwhite6248: yes Rochelldo

DLewisSticky: RB: Unfortunately, I just came in about 2 minutes ago so I didn't get to see your whole class

PaganStarShine: not rolling with the flow...

HOST LFST RB3000: DLewisSticky, yes, the exact point-- all the techniques I know of are

HOST LFST RB3000: designed to break the structures of separation in the neurology.

Azure Lake: Mornings are good times to lasso these underlying fears and problems,

Azure Lake: and transform them into power that elevates you.

PaganStarShine: but insecurity is less in some compared to others?

HOST LFST RB3000: PaganStarShine, scratch the surface of *anybody* and you find major freak-out, I find :)

Cwhite6248: Sometimes mental tricks are good like when troubled think Mary had a little lamb

WesusRice: the astral jump....lol

Cwhite6248: leave them alone and they will come home

RochelleDo: and insecurities do not mean one is not able to comprehend.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, yes, although we comprehend on very different levels, don't we?

Cwhite6248: too much thought chases itself

DLewisSticky: Pagan: hmmmmmmm. how can we compare? I may react differently to the same amount and does it come in various "doses"?

Azure Lake: You're probably the most open then. You wake up and all your sadness and regret and those of others are present.

DCizunas: One fuzzy point here, thought metabolytes were in

PaganStarShine: well...some ppl have "nervous breakdowns" and some ppl don't.

DCizunas: things like Pediasure...how do we lose them and

DCizunas: gain them in this particular context?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, every time we perceive the Miraculous or the alternate dimensions or another life, it takes particular metabolytes to do it, see?

DCizunas: Not quite 3K, but will do some research into metabolytes

DLewisSticky: RB I had an acquaintance who opened internal doors prior to being ready.

DLewisSticky: It was SCARY.

HOST LFST RB3000: ... That is, we say "I understand" and then go right ahead as before, ...

RochelleDo: Does the level matter is the comprehending brings us where we need to be?

Azure Lake: Then, instead of indulging in this sadness, which you really don't want to do anyway, and which is repetitve anyhow, you can turn it sideways into something you can't quite believe, but eventually it's there, positive, before you and in you.

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, nicely said :)

Cwhite6248: Pagan some experiantial keys to stress

Cwhite6248: some don't have the key and also experience stress more

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, yes, the level matters, because if it doesn't penetrate us to our depths, we won't really make the change.

WesusRice: everything preceived from the outside sems to be determined from our level of inner-being

RochelleDo: metabolytes?

Shiftgood1: Man, ever TRY to be positive dispite bad guys?

Cwhite6248: Tis hard

JLook91968: Shift... that ability is called resilience

DLewisSticky: Shift: It is difficult to be the light in the darkness! :)

Shiftgood1: I can't stad bad guys, and yet, being positive takes forever

Shiftgood1: JLook great!

RochelleDo: We might make the change is small degrees

HOST LFST RB3000: Shiftgood, yes, I've had opportunities at gunpoint :)

Shiftgood1: HOST LOL

Azure Lake: It may not be miraculous to begin with, but it's certainly better than another poor me trip.

Cwhite6248: Host I have trouble with controlling reactions to external activity

RochelleDo: in fact I think we all are making it in small degrees

Cwhite6248: also

Shiftgood1: Rochell I would like to speed up the procees

RochelleDo: some bigger than others

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, yes, it's called personal evolution. :)

Shiftgood1: Rochelle that is nice

RochelleDo: same here Shiftgood, just meant those who seem not to be shifting

Cwhite6248: where is the core of action to be found is it in detachment?

DLewisSticky: Cw: you are NOT alone! At least you have the where-with-all that you CAN do something!

Azure Lake: So it starts your day off a bit better, and then, perhaps, later in the day you can really SOAR ~V~ ~V~ ~V~ !!!

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, yes, everybody has to develop their responses, like kung fu.

Shiftgood1: Rochelle can you positive out bad guys? :O))

RochelleDo: nope

Shiftgood1: Oh

Lightstrms: an active detachment, CW.

Cwhite6248: what about our sense of identification with the external;

WesusRice: how can one self observe if one is identified?

Khiron1771: not in detachment...but rather in conscious intent

Cwhite6248: :) lightstrms

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, not quite detachment in the way we think, but having completely new responses while feeling *everything*, see?

Cwhite6248: nice point Wesus

DCizunas: For the bad think of the lyrics "accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative and look out for Mr. inbetween"

Cwhite6248: working on it

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, that goes away with the practices, like long meditation, chanting, yoga, fasting, etc.

Azure Lake: I think it's not in detachment, but instead in diving in to salvage the power that is there in all these negativities we have.

Cwhite6248: ok

Shiftgood1: Yes

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, salvage, I like that :)

WesusRice: we cannot stop receiving thoughts, but we can choose which thoughts to go with

HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, yes, but there is a certain kind of detachment from outcomes, right?

Khiron1771: 3K...absolutely!!!

Cwhite6248: there is action in nonaction

Khiron1771: it's in listening to yourself and consciously directing yourself to what you perceive to be your highest best.

Shiftgood1: Rochell..you know,, in my minds eye, I can see negative guys "on a '"hilltop" Or left

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Azure Lake: If you detach, you may deny. If you hug these negativities and then wield them

HOST LFST RB3000: WesusRice, actually, we have ways to direct our thoughts, and even to stop them completely.

RochelleDo: Shiftgood, for sure the negitive are being up there too :)

Cwhite6248: Azure Ive seen that

Lightstrms: so then....less "identification" + unity awareness = active detachment?

Shiftgood1: Rochell Really!!!!

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, exactly-- not deny anything, but be fluid, right?

Shiftgood1: :O)

Khiron1771: ...you can't see yourself as a static creation; so consequently, your highest best only applies today....:)

Azure Lake: in a different way, there's terabytes of power for good.

WesusRice: I strongly disagree, host, I have met nobody who could stop their thoughts

Khiron1771: ....thus the term, "you walk into yourself....."

Lightstrms: good Khiron.

Khiron1771: ...and trust the process of your own evolution.

HOST LFST RB3000: Lightstrms, yes, by being "humble", tiny, non-ego-identified, unhooked, but *present*, right?

Azure Lake: Describe this fluidity to me, 3000.

Shiftgood1: Rochelle, I wrote Floaters and I see guys "white" against "black" you know about such?

DCizunas: Wesus, there are exercises to stop all the internal chatter

DLewisSticky: Wesus: Masters can.

Shiftgood1: ---not getting too off subject, I hope---

HOST LFST RB3000: WesusRice, we've done it repeatedly in my groups.

RochelleDo: there is very little I know, Shiftgood :(((

Shiftgood1: Rochell Wow! That's great!

Azure Lake: It is more than acceptance of all of oneself. It is an embrace.

WesusRice: I dont think stopping thought is a practical starting point

Shiftgood1: modesty

RochelleDo: truth

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, I go on at length about the fluidity in these sessions -- stick with us and you'll see :)

Cwhite6248: agree azure

Shiftgood1: Awwwww Rochell

Khiron1771: Wesus..:)

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, yes, and how are thoughts different from chatter?

RochelleDo: <~~here to learn

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, and you're doing a good job-- have a gold star :)

Shiftgood1: But I tryed being positve for awhile stead of saying "...YOULL see Im right!" and it was ok

Shiftgood1: for a few weeks

Azure Lake: And the perpose of the embrace is to stir up unheard of authority on this plane.

DCizunas: 3K, I think true thought eliminates the external

DCizunas: chatter to let us see situations more clearly

WesusRice: brb, interesting discussion tonight, host

HOST LFST RB3000: Shiftgood, do you see that our *attempts* to be positive are ineffective because we are not whole with it? We stuff and project and redirect -- that's not what we're looking for yet.

DLewisSticky: Azure: I have found that if I "hug" my way through feeling insecure I come back to balance much faster.

DLewisSticky: Exactly. No pretending to be positive! :)

Lightstrms: fake it till you make it.

Khiron1771: true thought. Wow!! What is "untrue thought"?

Cwhite6248: There are many ways to achieve strength, how to act is the question of goals value

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, how can we know if a thought is true?

Shiftgood1: Host good point, I just wonder where I can draw the line with "you'll see I'm right-ism"

ThunderInnTheSky: It's impossible to be always positive or always neg.

DLewisSticky: Shift: It will never serve you. It doesn't MATTER who is right.

ThunderInnTheSky: If you're always pos. there something wrong psychologically, if you're always neg. it's depression

HOST LFST RB3000: Shiftgood, that's why we have to be humble and fluid with it-- rigidity leads to violence and perversion, even in spirituality.

Cwhite6248: I told the door specialist in Home depot today how to express right and left hand doors

Shiftgood1: Thunder I think you are RIGHT! LOL no metaphor

Shiftgood1: LOLOL

DLewisSticky: It is what it is.

Cwhite6248: lol

Khiron1771: it is possible to separate yourself from others and become uniquely you.

Azure Lake: DLewis, yes, I am just now finally discovering this kind of hugging!

DCizunas: 3K, the feel of truth with the thought...our internal mechanism that is hidden in many

Cwhite6248: he smiled

DLewisSticky: I forget to hug sometimes and love my way through my anger.

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, but we do keep proving that we are right to ourselves, don't we?

Shiftgood1: HOST wow! I bet you can only do that for a few weeks then it's "you see!!! (you bum etc) ?

Cwhite6248: yes Kihron

ThunderInnTheSky: I think that the ultimate negativity is someone against negativity, it's a form of fear

ThunderInnTheSky: not to want to listen to yang

Azure Lake: Fluidity = roll with the punches .,.. and this is a spiritual concept!

HOST LFST RB3000: Shiftgood, fortunately, I have lots of petty tyrants all around me :)

HOST LFST RB3000: ... and then I have my Death always facing me down -- that's the biggest help for this.

JLook91968: good point Wei :)

Cwhite6248: nice point Thunder very right

Shiftgood1: HOST I bet you do!!! lol

Khiron1771: <~~ducks!!!!

DLewisSticky: RB: Have you read the Four Agreements?

HOST LFST RB3000: DLewisSticky, nope-- can you summarize for us what you'd like to share?

DLewisSticky: Much to do with all of it actually.

Azure Lake: As for me, at least in the a.m., I have everyone's Death facing me.

DLewisSticky: #1: Never take anything personnally.

Shiftgood1: Anyway...I am just gonna try to be positive again,

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, how can you have everyone's death?

DLewisSticky: #2: Be impecable with your word.

Azure Lake: And all the people with their regrets over their lives as they lie dying...

DLewisSticky: #3: Always do your best

DCizunas: 3K, that's truely a thought to ponder, haven't

DCizunas: thought muc of myself being either

DLewisSticky: #4 Don't make assumptions.

Khiron1771: it's not possible to be negative if you own that you're creating it all...and have absolute power to be whatever you wish/need to be.

ThunderInnTheSky: where does, pos. end and neg. begin?

Shiftgood1: Even though I hate drunken paritiers around :O(

DLewisSticky: We are in a dream. We have a storyteller inside of us telling us lies.

HOST LFST RB3000: Shiftgood, "try"??? Do you see -- we can't really *decide* to be positive or to be healthy or to be rich or to be patient or energetic-- because we are partial and asleep. But we have to make the decision anyway! :)

WesusRice: if we dont express negativity, it can be observed, but if we do, we so often become totally

JLook91968: DL.... I think folks need to "own" wheat they think and feel/experience...

MudHand: easy for you to say Khiron... :)

WesusRice: identified

JLook91968: and that means to me taking things personally

Shiftgood1: HOST yeah.

DLewisSticky: We must quiet the "storyteller" to hear/feel/ the truth.

Azure Lake: Well, I think that we can be negative and own it. (Define "own it.")

Khiron1771: "because we are partial and asleep".........shades of gurdjeiff and ouspensky there? What do you mean by that, 3K?

HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, yes, just like in Gurdjieff.

RochelleDo: where you see it as being back to the source it is still elusive until you are ready.

PaganStarShine: negativity teaches us lessons...it is the destruction associated with it that makes it "bad"

DLewisSticky: But, we can just let it pass through instead of hanging on to it!!

HOST LFST RB3000: WesusRice, everyone can see what we're hiding, and they go by what they see unconsciously, not what we are trying to portray, right?

Shiftgood1: Azure and co. really, got to warn "trashy" people at least sometimes

JLook91968: I want to savor the good stuff :))

Cwhite6248: agree pagan

Azure Lake: Isn't "oiwning it" something like Gurdjieff's ability to take action? Can we do it?

Khiron1771: okay, 3K. I was just clarifying.

Cwhite6248: Right shift

Shiftgood1: Yeah

DLewisSticky: Shift: We take action against "wrong".

HOST LFST RB3000: PaganStarShine, challenges give us the lessons; negativity is just our deviation, and that stores up pain for us and others, see?

Cwhite6248: or left shift lol

WesusRice: man is asleep, yet can awaken, but knows neither, Gurdijeff

RochelleDo: what is "trashy" people?

ThunderInnTheSky: to speak of happiness, beginnings, wealth, honor, love, friendship, this is pos.

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, we can DO only when we awaken to some degree.

PaganStarShine: nope..I don't

RochelleDo: like there is anyone who does not desearve to learn?

Shiftgood1: Rochelle people that disagree with my "vision" hehehe

Azure Lake: So what happens when (if) we "own" our negativity???

ThunderInnTheSky: to speak about death, things ending, rejection, depression, poverty, this is neg.

Khiron1771: man is only asleep inasmuch as he refuses to accept creational responsibility.......Jung.

DLewisSticky: We are crappy to be around, Azure. ha!

ThunderInnTheSky: the two should not be mixed.

HOST LFST RB3000: WesusRice, we never did understand what he meant by awakening-- that's why I came up with these classes. :)

PaganStarShine: but all are realities.

Azure Lake: Can we only OWN when we awaken to some degree?

ThunderInnTheSky: that is the Way

Shiftgood1: Rochelle. I give people lots of time, but then .......

WesusRice: nice, khiron

RochelleDo: Is there really a point to any of this if everyone is not subject to learning?

Cwhite6248: I dont take complete credit for how people perciev me

Shiftgood1: ....lots of time

HOST LFST MikeB: probably do need to awaken some before owning or becoming responsible

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, we own our reactions, the effects of our reactions, our suffering, our beingness-- embrace all, be responsible for all, love all, discharge all...

Khiron1771: we only awaken to the exact degree we accept ownership

WesusRice: life is real, only when "i am" gurdijeff

RochelleDo: ah so YOU draw a line, Shiftgood?

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, only our self.

HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, good way to put it-- that works. :)

Cwhite6248: freedom implies responsibility

Azure Lake: That is, I see owning {now} as analogous to doing, in the Gurdjieff sense of the term.

Shiftgood1: Rochelle...well, I am more than a little worried bout this poor planet

ThunderInnTheSky: thank you Kimm. :-)

Cwhite6248: responsibility imbues freedom

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, yes, that's a fair way to put it -- do you see why that is so?

Cwhite6248: did I say that right?

Azure Lake: Probably responsibility is really only attributable to an at least partially awakened person,

Lightstrms: freedom + resopnsibility+ action = liberation.

DCizunas: Cwhite, but you are responsible for the colors of

ThunderInnTheSky: responsibility means the ability to respond

DCizunas: your aura which reflect your thoughts and deeds

DLewisSticky: Impartiality is part of being awakened also, I think.

Khiron1771: you can't blame your mommy for giving you Cheerios when ya wanted lucky charms!!

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, yes, and integrated into at least a degree of unity.

Shiftgood1: Rochelle I think there's only so much more "sinnin" we can take beofore eath goes "boink"

Cwhite6248: oh I agree DiCuznas

MudHand: the quote went something like this...."all of this works in a college classroom, but"

Shiftgood1: earth that is

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WesusRice: the purest love we shall ever know is from our mother...mother earth, shiftgood

MudHand: in real life, its power vs. power

ThunderInnTheSky: You can only be responsible or held responsible if one has the ability to respond

Azure Lake: Doing, owning and taking responsibility are attriubutable to someone who is in their authority, not at affect.

Cwhite6248: MUD some of this works afield

PaganStarShine: or blame

ThunderInnTheSky: a child does not have the ability to respond therefore he is not held responsible for his actions

MudHand: it does Cw?

Kimmbalie: would that make me respon. for what anopther human would do to himself???

Cwhite6248: no I was just kidding

Shiftgood1: Wesus Good saying

Joanawalk: all have the ability to respond it about our choice

RochelleDo: not all are so fortunate

Khiron1771: as hard as it is, you have to own it all. and THEN decide without shutting down, exactly

PaganStarShine: if you contributed to it.

WesusRice: ty, just trying to affirm your loving concerns

ThunderInnTheSky: Kimm, only for a child or for someone with mental deficits

Khiron1771: who you want to be. But even then.......you have an "x" factor involved of your most probable future growth to deal with....<g>

DLewisSticky: Kimm: depends on the human. If you let a quadraplegic role into the st. of course you'd be responsible.

ThunderInnTheSky: Kimm adults are responsible for what they do

HOST LFST RB3000: WONDERFUL thoughts, friends. Now we are coming to the conclusion of tonight's lesson, wherein we examine the specific energies and states of consciousness that operate in the new perspectives of the Astral Jump.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: So now we have seen a little of what we can accomplish "merely" by constructing a steady platform of silence within ourselves. Now let's look at where we can get to with a boost, and where we can find boosts.

HOST LFST RB3000: Think of the difference between an airplane and a rocket ship. The plane may fly in the stratosphere, but it cannot operate in space, nor can it escape the gravity of the Earth.

HOST LFST RB3000: THERE are those who attempt to stow away on a rocket ship, but they are not outfitted for the rigors of space, and they will either perish or become badly deformed, and their reports of "what is out there" will be badly distorted.

HOST LFST RB3000: And yet people will often follow such "leaders" who either had an accidental glimpse of the Beyond, or who began serious studies but left prematurely.

HOST LFST RB3000: There are even those who read some books, or perhaps came to some classes like this one, and then decided that they understood it well enough to teach others.

HOST LFST RB3000: I leave it to you to decide for yourself, once you have gone all the way through this class series and undertaken all of the practices, in which category this class and this instructor reside.

HOST LFST RB3000: .

HOST LFST RB3000: We should always ask ourselves, when receiving any teaching, "From what level is this material being taught, and what is it touching in me?" and "Is this paradigm self-consistent, and does it give me ways to verify it for myself?"

HOST LFST RB3000: Then I don't have to concern myself with the instructor's "credentials" or with how "popular" s/he seems to be.

HOST LFST RB3000: But cosmonauts who have been properly trained and outfitted realize how far they still have to go, and they do very little teaching or "healing" because they are humbled by what they have witnessed.

HOST LFST RB3000: They also realize that few people can apprehend this knowledge properly -- it disturbs the status quo, and then "the faithful" begin fighting wars among themselves, as has happened with most religions.

HOST LFST RB3000: We should always ask ourselves, when receiving any teaching, "From what level is this material being taught, and what is it touching in me?" and "Is this paradigm self-consistent, and does it give me ways to verify it for myself?" Then I don't have to concern myself with the instructor's "credentials" or with how "popular" s/he seems to be.

OnlineHost: DDreamtime has entered the room.

HOST LFST RB3000: LET us say that the "stowaways" get their boost from drugs or from the humility and simplicity should be cultivated by the educated person charismatic effect of masses of people all believing the same thing, or even from a genuine supernatural experience whose influence gives their ego a push without transforming them.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: Then the energies are distorted into ego-glorification or violence or perversion because of all their subconscious impulses that have not been cleaned up.

HOST LFST RB3000: That is what the movies and the horror stories (not to mention *history*) generally portray, but the story is different for those who have gone through sufficient transformation.

HOST LFST RB3000: These may be "primitive tribal medicine" people, or they may be anonymous monastics or hermits, or perhaps even a faceless stream of typing on your computer, with codes and numbers for a name. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: These initiated ones, at the appropriate times, get their boosts from linking to the hidden lineages, or from preparations of certain herbs, or from configurations of the lines of the earth, from animal and spirit allies, from configurations and places of power, or from the very risky but very powerful alignments with the edges of the world.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: We will examine these specifically in future classes (in-person for those taking initiation, not online, due to the nature of the risks and of the results of opening them).

HOST LFST RB3000: AT ANY RATE, those who properly take such boosts begin to *awaken* to the extended dimensionalities of existence and, by achieving the ecstatic energetics necessary to apprehend the contents of these dimensionalities, they gradually become an operating witness of the inconceivable -- that is, full-out sorcerers, magi, "travelers", or whatever a particular lineage may call them.

HOST LFST RB3000: The initiated witnesses discover that they are, and always have been, in a sort of race with Death, something like the scene in "Back to the Future III" where the time car has to be accelerated to 80 mph at the exact moment that the lightning strikes the cable along with the car's antenna, in order to attain the ultimate boost.

 

HOST LFST RB3000: NEEDLESS to say, such an unlikely synchronization has almost a zero chance of happening properly, so most of even the most dedicated adherents fail for eternity. But the nature of existence is such that, if something exists even as an ideal, then it exists as truth in *some* reality, for whoever can ultimately find it.

HOST LFST RB3000: Naturally, *ultimate* truth requires ultimate conviction, ultimate sacrifice, ultimate courage and ultimate suffering. A fair bargain. :)

HOST LFST RB3000: A magus who has "won his race with Death" is immortal, can appear anywhere and any time at will, and can change events. "Can" is a key word here, because every true Witness knows that a single capricious Act of Will on their part could erase everything that they achieved, or even make themselves never-have-existed-in-the-first-place!

HOST LFST RB3000: .

HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- that is all the material that I wished to present to you tonight, so let us now discuss whether we can rightfully even aspire to the heights of spirituality and consciousness that have been outlined here. Go right ahead now please.

Cwhite6248: question authority

Cwhite6248: lol

DLewisSticky: RB: Know anyone who can do this stuff?

HOST LFST RB3000: ThunderInnTheSky, is the Truth in words?

HOST LFST RB3000: DLewisSticky, we're getting there :)

ThunderInnTheSky: RB, the truth is a method expressed linguistically

WesusRice: wowie zowie

JacobJG: 3000, thanks for that

DLewisSticky: Seriously. Know anyone who time travels?

JacobJG: it was quite powerful to witness

Azure Lake: This makes me a bit happy in that suffering can have an ultimate goal.

Cwhite6248: The more ephemeral the lily pad the need for softer tread

HOST LFST RB3000: WesusRice, I've been sitting with that material for a long long time :)

MudHand: what exactly is, a "mystical paradigm"

HOST LFST RB3000: MudHand, a way of organizing our world view so it makes some sort of sense, even if not logically. :)

Cwhite6248: I mean how has all this affected you?

DDreamtime: interesting how differently things are percieved

DqueenOdNile: rb3000, are you studying the work of the great etheric magicians?

Azure Lake: Turn that round, flat platter of slop called suffering on its edge and sail it through your open window.

JacobJG: azure, cool!

WesusRice: I agree, thunder

Cwhite6248: Lightstrms what is your take on all this so far?

MudHand: and mystical paradigms make sense to you ?

HOST LFST RB3000: DqueenOdNile, I've been studying "them" my whole life, although in early childhood I had to guess at it for myself.

Azure Lake: However, it's a more intelligent suffering, refined ... isn't it?

Lightstrms: I think it's possible...I think it;'s difficult...

ThunderInnTheSky: 3k "the splendor of the simple"---Holderlin, that will make you soar

Azure Lake: Or does it matter? Just turn it around and be in control.

Lightstrms: I think it's a goal, if we're wanting to awaken.

DqueenOdNile: rb3000, are you familiar with the work of franz Bardon?

Cwhite6248: Lightstrms is there a possibility there is a metaphorical jump to eternity here rather than literal

DLewisSticky: Light: Here is an interesting concept. Next time you want to be "awakened" think this:

HOST LFST RB3000: DqueenOdNile, nope- can you suggest something to start with?

DLewisSticky: 'how would an awakened person behave/think?" Then do it.

Cwhite6248: I personally would love to think there is an actual way to infinity

Lightstrms: absolutely....but if there is a literal jump, there needs to be a metaphorical one first.

Cwhite6248: good point

Cwhite6248: like think and do

Azure Lake: It's not about self-improvement. It's about becoming who we really are.

Lightstrms: we see the ankles of those who stand above us.

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DqueenOdNile: rb3000, he is considered one the greated magicians of 20 century

DLewisSticky: Azure: There ya go. I like to think of it as becoming more of what I already am.

HOST LFST RB3000: ThunderInnTheSky, nah-- I like 'em jes' the way they is :)

Azure Lake: Where do you talk about the Astral Jump, 3000?

JacobJG: it's succinCtly

DCizunas: Then we would deny ourselves the experience we

DCizunas: should have and merely mirror another

Lightstrms: 3000, what were you saying about initiative classes other than this on-line offering?

DLewisSticky: DC: Not copying another. It changes behavior patterns and lets one see another "paradigm"

DLewisSticky: quickly.

HOST LFST RB3000: Lightstrms, I work with off-line groups to attain desired states of consciousness and levels of transformation.

Azure Lake: It's more like our work WITH our negativity...

Lightstrms: related to a specific mystery school?

Galaxon: 3k i see...y ou cyber with non-AOLers

HOST LFST RB3000: JacobJG, I think it was you who taught me to be more tolerant :)

WesusRice: the question arises, is Love in its true sense, consciousness?

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, no, I'm talking about real-life in-person. :)

RochelleDo: I just hope I can learn to be so tolerant.

Azure Lake: Since the negativity is actually an aid, so we need not be against it.

ThunderInnTheSky: We, it is not, Love is an impulse, it compels us.

HOST LFST RB3000: DqueenOdNile, could you put it here in the room?

WesusRice: mind is all we have then, thunder?

RochelleDo: but some folk leave so soon......not sure tolerance is there at all.

OnlineHost: FoxesTruths has entered the room.

MudHand: I dontthink love is an impulse

ThunderInnTheSky: No We, we are more than mind

Cwhite6248: Light they are putting the site for group stuff in the room?!

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, it's not the negativity itself that helps us, but our working against it that does -- reread "Search"

Galaxon: Remember...love is only as good as your level of insanity allows it to be

DLewisSticky: Rochelle: We're each on our own path...yes?

HOST LFST RB3000: MudHand, do we even know what "love" is?

WesusRice: quit it, galaxon....to witty

MudHand: love, is too personal, to define

HOST LFST RB3000: DLewisSticky, but do we really have different ultimate goals?

Cwhite6248: love is incorporation?

MudHand: my definition, is certainly different from everyone elses

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, I like that :)

DLewisSticky: Nope. Just different ways to get there.

MudHand: but, it doesnt make my definition incorrect

HOST LFST RB3000: MudHand, agreed-- just hoping to clarify :)

DLewisSticky: All fingers on the hand of God.

DCizunas: DLewis, can see the point of putting oneself in

DCizunas: another's shoes, but not to the point of losing

DCizunas: balance in own mind

WesusRice: love is a continual learning process, eh?

DLewisSticky: DC: agreed.

Azure Lake: 3000, my point is that our work WITH the negativity helps us. It puts me off to say against it, since everything actually helps us in the end

Cwhite6248: God is in the witness protection program hes not dead :)

FoxesTruths: Love is that connectedness to the Divine that comes from

FoxesTruths: knowing unconditional love for self!!!

HOST LFST RB3000: Azure Lake, and yet what happens if we indulge it?

RochelleDo: and tolerance for plebs too

FoxesTruths: there is no definition for love......Love just IS

Cwhite6248: Spirituality is the ability to see past the illusion of thought

WesusRice: seems christ was saying can love self, or god, or neighbor, without doing all 3 @ once

DLewisSticky: Azure: How's this...no such thing as negativity, only misused love.

MudHand: is, each persons definition of love

WesusRice: *cant

FoxesTruths: love is a consciousness

HOST LFST RB3000: FoxesTruths, air just is, but sometimes it's hard to breathe-- life just is, but sometimes I die...

Cwhite6248: Sometimes "I" die to live

WesusRice: Will springs from what we Love

FoxesTruths: 3000 exactly.and there is no tangible definition for either of those

Galaxon: Love is more simple than that...love is merely the

Galaxon: spiritual material that the universe is pervasively

Galaxon: constucted of...the consciousness

DLewisSticky: It just "is" unless it is "not",

HOST LFST RB3000: Cwhite, right on! :)

Cwhite6248: :) thanks

RochelleDo: dont die yet, 3k.....I am not ready for you to.

WesusRice: wow. galaxon

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, I do resurrect fairly adroitly, so you don't usually notice :)

FoxesTruths: like I saaid Gala.........it is a consciousness

WesusRice: consciousness = light?

Azure Lake: Well, to say "against" implies a big struggle, something that I identify with the ego.

HOST LFST RB3000: Two weeks from now: Identifying, Discerning, Acquiring and Dissolving Realities.

HOST LFST RB3000: Suggested reading: please continue reading Second Ring of Power, The Eagle's Gift, The Fire from Within and The Power of Silence by Castaneda; Being in Dreaming by Florinda Donner Grau; In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky. In addition, I recommend All and Everything by Gurdjieff, Babel-17 and Empire Star by Samuel Delany

 

HOST LFST RB3000: Films to see: The Matrix, Dark City, John Boorman's Emerald Forest, Resurrection (the old version with Ellen Burstyn), Contact, Altered States, Event Horizon (gruesomely violent), Sphere, House of Cards (with Kathleen Turner and Tommy Lee Jones), Little Buddha, and Mary Poppins and many episodes of Stargate SG-1 and Star Trek NG and Voyager.

HOST LFST RB3000: ... and please send me your own favorite books and films on these subjects.

Galaxon: 3k do you believe all written scriptures to be

Galaxon: symbolic books representing the psychology of

Galaxon: consciousness of all?

WesusRice: my brain is too big for my head now, thanks RB3000, great class

FoxesTruths: wiould have liked to be involved tho

RochelleDo: come next fortnight, Foxes :)

FoxesTruths: Rochelle.......I will!!

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, actually, I believe scriptures to be encodings of divine or astral data that we do not know how to read in normal consciousness.

Galaxon: 3k encodings...in other words..symbolic language

RochelleDo: Symbols, 3k

RochelleDo: all of what we do not see can be decoded when we are ready?

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, symbolic but several levels higher.

Galaxon: 3k have you ever heard of Neville Goddard?

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, yes, the mechanism exists in us, but is usually dormant.

RochelleDo: if it is dormant....can we not ever make use of it?

Galaxon: 3k he was a mystic who gave his mystical decoding of the New and Old testament

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, dormant does mean that there may be a way to activate it.

RochelleDo: is that not what we are trying to achieve?

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HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, words can be used, but the info is not directly in the words themselves.

HOST LFST RB3000: RochelleDo, it is exactly what I am hoping to achieve with you :)

Galaxon: 3k he used the non-literal representations of the

Galaxon: things in the bible relating them to the

Galaxon: consciousness of man

WesusRice: is the bible exoteric or esoteric, greek exo = outer, eso = inner?

HOST LFST RB3000: Galaxon, sounds good-- I'll look for him. Have you read "THe Hidden Gospel" or the "Bible Code"?

Galaxon: 3k no..but have heard of it

Galaxon: I summoned Merlin in my lucid dream to show me how to manifest

HOST LFST RB3000: Ooh, ooh -- my times up for tonight! Anything for me before I vanish in a puff of smoke?

RochelleDo: just thanks again, 3k xx

RochelleDo: appreciate what you are doing :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok then, wonderful dreams, friends, I'll see you here in two weeks. Also every Wednesday midnight. <poof>

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