Awakening in God-Consciousness, class #7
© 2001, Barry M Klein, Los Angeles
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HOST LFST RB3000: Good evening, dear friends :)
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HOST LFST RB3000: (We're going to be having my regular class on Awakening in here the next hour -- just waiting for my backup :)
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HOST LFST RB3000: (Tonight's subject is going to be "The relationship between personal consciousness and God"
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HOST LFST RB3000: 7th Class of *Awakening*in*God*Consciousness*:
HOST LFST RB3000: "The relationship between personal consciousness and God"
HOST LFST RB3000: Last time we discussed How our work against negativity and internal chatter creates the Astral Jump. If you missed our earlier discussions on spiritual and mystical practices, I invite you to read the logs of our earlier sessions-- just write to me and I'll send you the links.
Nubbinus: there is no awakening we already are what we seek
HOST LFST RB3000: THE featured subject for tonight is The relationship between personal consciousness and God. I've always been intrigued by questions like, "Am I my own consciousness, or am I the dream of a higher being?" or "Is
HOST LFST RB3000: everything I experience just my own moment of death?"
HOST LFST RB3000: Then who is running everything while I'm dreaming? Does everyone somehow share the same consciousness at some level? Is that what God is?
HOST LFST RB3000: Before we begin the formal session, are there any questions or comments about the class in general, or about these subjects?
HOST LFST RB3000: What I put out in these classes is not "facts" and maybe not even "knowledge", but rather, paradigms and viewpoints of mystical and esoteric lineages.
HOST LFST RB3000: All right, then -- let us begin
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HOST LFST RB3000: First let's look at the states of consciousness that we cycle through, every day. Then we'll be able to ask, "Are these all the states and perceptions that I am capable of, or is there something hidden from me that I can attain? Am I breaking some rule or law by attempting to do this?"
HOST LFST RB3000: Most of us seem to subcribe to the four states of Dreamless sleep, REM dreams, "waking consciousness," and hypnotic trances. Maybe some people ascribe a state of consciousness to a "soul" that has left its "body" at the "time" of "death."
HOST LFST RB3000: Some people have lucid dreams, which can actually seem much more awake than ordinary consciousness. And some people have religious vision and visitations of angels, while others go mad with voices in their heads or deliria of snakes and spiders, ghosts and bogeymen, secret agents and demons, etc.
HOST LFST RB3000: Do these religious or nightmare states count as separate levels of consciousness, or only as "temporary aberrations"? What about someone who stays up for five nights in a row and produces works of genius, and then shoots themself? Shall we continue to call all those as merely aberrations of "waking" state?
HOST LFST RB3000: In esoteric literature, we find a completely different breakdown of the levels of consciousness which run us. It is quite simple, yet so different from our tribal mythology that it even seems ridiculous to some people, or "obviously erroneous."
HOST LFST RB3000: In such a system, our "waking consciousness" (complete with "free will" and "self-awareness") becomes instead the worst kind of sleep, a state in which we are constantly justifying our faults, in which we are constantly dreaming up every possible paranoid delusion and violent projection upon the population of the dream.
HOST LFST RB3000: But the ancient teachings say that we really do have an intellect, as a particular mind with its own separate functions, which is available (but mostly unused) in ordinary people. What we mostly have instead, is an extremely crude, artificial apparatus which does nothing but drop everything we come across into one of our preset bins or categories, and label it so that we can then say that we "know" it. But those are not thoughts, nor is it a function of the real intellect.
HOST LFST RB3000: How many times do we try to explain an experience of our own to someone, and have them instantly say, "Oh, I know about that ..." or "What you're saying is ... <something completely unrelated>", and then watch people automatically nodding their heads in "agreement" because that is their mechanical entrainment, despite "knowing" that the person doesn't know what they're talking about.
HOST LFST RB3000: Then they classify the emotions as a mind that is separate from the intellect, and whose much greater finesse and speed allow well tempered people to make amazing degrees of discernment, like a clairvoyant or a tea-master or a fine artist can.
HOST LFST RB3000: The reason that we usually do not have access to these fine energies and discernments was the subject of the last two classes, and that is that we have completely perverted the emotional functions with our sleep, our self-pity, our projections, and our incessant internal chatter about "injustice", "pain", "unfairness", "honor", "concern", "gottas", expectations, worry and regrets.
HOST LFST RB3000: It turns out that NONE of the above are members or functions of the emotional mind in the way that I am speaking, but aberrations again.
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HOST LFST RB3000: We talked about what are NOT proper emotional values, but we never made it clear what we would find that we have in the Emotional Center once all those aberrations have been cleaned out. We hardly have words for the authentic emotions available to us, because we have lived so long accepting pain, dysfunction and numbness as our way of life.
HOST LFST RB3000: Actually, it is easy enough to discover what we've been missing just by watching the innocent play of small children -- delight in simple things, authentic caring, many different shades and impulses of love and affection, unadulterated sadness. These authentic feelings are characterized by an immediacy and directness that our "adult" emotions lack -- they require no psychotherapy, and they change rapidly.
HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- the floor is open for your ideas and questions about the proper functions of thought and feeling. Go right ahead now please
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ProudTurtle: It just is..you are going too deep....as if to assume intuition should be questioned
JacobJG: 3000... I think you've succinctly hit upon the greatest challenge of living
Khiron1771: 3K :) before you gain control over your thoughts and feelings, don't you first have to define what you are, what your goals for your life are?
DCizunas: So much of this sounds like the therapy many marriage counselors are using....to make a couple realize their mate's point of view.
JacobJG: some Masters refer to it as not staying committed to higher priority commitments
Khiron1771: JacobJG: we let petty priorities supercede more important ones
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, not really define, in my opinion -- but observe and really discover who I am from direct experience, and also by watching the responses of other people...
HOST LFST RB3000: ... which is not the same as depending on people's opinions, by the way :)
Khiron1771: 3k...so you are deriving your meaning from a reflection of your interaction with others?
La Brujaranya: elaborate on the differance there 3k
HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, I see the comparison, although it doesn't depend on words like therapy usually does.
Oilyrat: who depends on other's opinions anyway ?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, not defining -- just using it as a set of observations, see?
JacobJG: thanks 3000, I appreciate the magnifying glass you place on the universe
Khiron1771: nuh uh, 3k...:) You ARE and you create uniquely, I think. You get to play with your decisions in 3D, but you absolutely are unique to begin with
DCizunas: 3K, was thinking of the dialogue "you mean..."
HOST LFST RB3000: La Brujaranya, mystical disciplines really don't care how adjusted we are, but rather how much we can observe and transmute.
Khiron1771: so in other words, 3K...you are a unique expression of reality feeling itself playing with physical reality?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, that's fine-- I don't see any disagreement between us. Elaborate more?
Khiron1771: just did, 3K...:) And I see no disagreement either.
HOST LFST RB3000: La Brujaranya, mystics are notoriously "mad" or eccentric, whereas therapy tries to "adjust" people usually, right?
AngelSong888: agreed 3000
La Brujaranya: ah..so now being mad..equals being a mystic?
La Brujaranya: one could be psychotic and be a mystic?
AngelSong888: Am in "traditional" counseling...and have learned to be careful of sharing my experiences so as to not be labeled..that which I am not
Khiron1771: so...in other words....: each of us is a very unique expression of reality....and when we entwine with all the other unique expressions of reality that make up the universe, we get to see the result of what our choices are.
MerryFaith: I would hope that after all this time there was more acceptance of mystical in"normal" lives
HOST LFST RB3000: La Brujaranya, actually, the real mystics that I know are seen as more sane than others ...
HOST LFST RB3000: ... but inside themselves they are far more fluid than normal people.
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, I don't really expect acceptance by normies, since the mystical viewpoint goes against acculturation, doesn't it?
Lightstrms: "FLUID" IS A GOOD WORD FOR THE MYSTIC SELF...
MerryFaith: mystical means that my experience of God is mine and doesn't fit for anyone else???
Paj 693: what is your definition of God?
MerryFaith: For me I usually use the word Spirit rather than God....
Khiron1771: all of it means that you honor another's right to their own perception.
MerryFaith: But I believe the topic was about God....
AngelSong888: yes khiron..its about free will choices
Khiron1771: that's the beginning and the end comment.
MerryFaith: RB3000---do you think being a mystic sets you apart from the rest?
HOST LFST RB3000: AngelSong, how can we talk about "free will" when we have no idea what the results will be of our choices, and can't take responsibility for them in the first place????
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, I look for the mystical in everyone and everything, and I usually find it :)
MerryFaith: Free will is all there is....
Paj 693: when you change your mind--you change your life
AngelSong888: that is a good question 3000
HOST LFST RB3000: Paj, change your "mind" or change your being?
AngelSong888: from my understanding..we make our choices in life..
Paj 693: it does both
AngelSong888: and acknowledge to ourselves that the only control we have...is over ourselves
Symphony0fAngels: isn't our "being " pure consciousness
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, sure did-- in ref to how most people want to not accept anything they don't know about.
Emc2222222222: or change your elemental energetics?
Symphony0fAngels: how can you change that or why would you want to
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MerryFaith: Most people want DESPERATELY to know there is something other than normal religions...
HOST LFST RB3000: Symphony0fAngels, well, everything is nothing, when you get down to it --
HOST LFST RB3000: I was refering to what we perceive.
Khiron1771: control is a false game. doesn't exist, because static existence doesn't exist.
Paj 693: when you change your mind about doing something that changes your life path and that happens to us daily if you think about it
Khiron1771: damn, but I'm a 3-year-old broken record on that point...:)
HOST LFST RB3000: Emc, yes, do you have a method for changing energetics?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, very true :)
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, about the control, I mean.
Khiron1771: 3K* expand on that one, would ya?? :)
AngelSong888: to my understanding as a healer
AngelSong888: all things begin in spirit..at spiritual level
Khiron1771: how do you exact control over an ever-changing universe?
MerryFaith: Khiron...re free will??
AngelSong888: There are no structures that cannot be superseded and rearranged by love. "
Paj 693: by controling your life first
MerryFaith: Well, you make choices in your consciousness...
Khiron1771: ya don't control.......you grow.
HOST LFST RB3000: AngelSong, sure-- and we'll be getting into identifying what our spiritual decisions were that got us into all this...
MerryFaith: but then we have to talk about past lives too...and people usually don't want to go there...
AngelSong888: when we impede love in our life...we impede the true nature of who we are...and the result is dis-ease
La Brujaranya: Khi..for some Control is paramount
Paj 693: controling your life is making your own choices and not by others
HOST LFST RB3000: AngelSong, but why does anything need to be rearranged?
Khiron1771: you perceive, you evaluate, you choose, and you propel yourself into a more perfect picture of you
AngelSong888: exactly paj
MerryFaith: Angel...the result is usually fear and the belief that we exist outside of love...
MerryFaith: it's a nice illusion we are allowed but I believe everything is love.
AngelSong888: the universal law of like attracting like
AngelSong888: that is why
Khiron1771: Brujahoney. control is a misnomer....:)* it belongs with Alice.
AngelSong888: agreed merry
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, sounds like you did your homework -- that's what a lot of this class series is about. :)
Dancin Sue: I think opposites attract
HOST LFST RB3000: GREAT comments, everyone. Now let us go a little further with our
HOST LFST RB3000: subject, and look at the other *minds* of the ordinary "apparatus."
HOST LFST RB3000: ONCE again, please hold comments till I've had a chance to roll out a few
HOST LFST RB3000: ideas for your consideration. :)
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HOST LFST RB3000: The minds of the "lower story", which corresponds with the first 3 or 4 chakras (depending on how you count them), are given as the instinctive, the moving and the sexual centers. This is right out of "In Search of the Miraculous", which is on your reading list. For this class we're skipping the instictive center because there is not much we can do with it right now yet here.
HOST LFST RB3000: The Moving Center, which operates entirely on repetition and imitation, is a vital instrument of any discipline, since it allows us to set up new habits and programs which can eventually over-ride our old, self-destructive habits. This center is able to take instruction from mantras, mudras, asanas, prostrations, sundance, vision quests, and daily practices of all kinds.
HOST LFST RB3000: Once a particular practice has been done intentionally for a sufficient period of time, it can then be done with no thought whatsoever. This is what allows us to dance, play sports or musical instruments, drive a car, touch-type a letter, or any other activity that requires motor skills and realtime coordination.
HOST LFST RB3000: The second we think about what we are doing, we lose our coordination -- isn't this what you find? As I type this, I am thinking only of what I wish to tell you, not which muscle of which finger I should extend or contract in order to strike a key.
HOST LFST RB3000: So the Moving Center is the receptory in which we can store each discipline and most of the alarms that we need for anticipating the triggers of our habitual reactions, in the ways that we discussed in the previous two classes.
HOST LFST RB3000: We enter a situation in which we would "normally" become defensive, for example, but instead, as soon as the trigger becomes activated, a replacement program is activated -- for example, to meet the situation with humor, compassion and service. And then, of course, everything changes for the better.
HOST LFST RB3000: Much trickier to talk about is the Sexual Center, for obvious reasons, and for some quite subtle reasons. In tonight's class we won't be thinking about titillation and mating, but we will examine the power of sexual energy and its alchemic octaves, and how unconsciously and universally we pervert these energies into seduction, violence, cruelty and obsessions from personal to racial and nationalistic levels.
HOST LFST RB3000: Let us begin by saying that, except for some practitioners of tantra (Buddhist disciplines) and a few who have experienced ecstatic incorporation without going mad, none of us have truly experienced authentic sexual energy directly. I must point out that this does not necessarily refer to union between people, but to the experience within an individual.
HOST LFST RB3000: The fact is (in esoteric and alchemic terms) that it is only the rightful energy of the sexual center that can bridge the chasm between the "physical" ego-self (the whole of which is referred to as "8th chakra") and the 9th-chakra (immortal) Astral Self, which is the vehicle of the Higher Emotional center.
HOST LFST RB3000: This is because they operate at the same speed, density and subtlety, albeit with different characteristics. It often happens that a sannyasin or yogi who has been celibate for many years is found to exude an intense sexual field that arouses shakti or visions in people who come near them.
HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- the floor is open for your ideas and questions about the Mind-Centers of the lower story of a human. Go right ahead now please. ......................................
Barbarella1101: breathing is essential
Barbarella1101: even while typing - esp during sex
Khiron1771: ..all these *names* for one statement: you are joy evolving. it is you who chooses HOW to evolve and express that reality.
HOST LFST RB3000: Barbarella, yes, I try to breathe every day :)
Juanist: if you keep you sex energy in tap wll is is going to show
MerryFaith: I appreciate I didn't know this was a class...but I much more prefer to see the body as an integrated chakra...a one, a wholeness....
MerryFaith: I find chakras help to understand parts...but they do not integrate the whole.
Juanist: that energy is going to show!!!
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, yes, in my studies they called the whole body set, the "eighth chakra"
MerryFaith: but 3000...there are 13 bodies, astral, etheric, etc..and more than 7 chakras if you use that system
Khiron1771: even when you pretend to separate your parts, you canNOT do that...you are a whole creation.
Juanist: a ceature yes
Juanist: a spirit?
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, right, and many many systems to choose from. I usually pick the easiest systems :)
Barbarella1101: me too
Juanist: that perfect balance
Juanist: mind body and soul
MerryFaith: 3k...Love is the easiest system.
Barbarella1101: love is goal
Barbarella1101: use "systems" to get there
MerryFaith: Unconditional Love...
Barbarella1101: stay there
MerryFaith: and we as human being are teaching Spirit...
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, I do find that we can examine our disparate intents and pulls as if they were separate personalities.
Khiron1771: love isn't a goal, Barb..it is the only reality.
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, really??? Then why isn't everyone "doing" it?
Barbarella1101: yes 12 or so personalities
AngelSong888: until we learn to integrate them into the whole experience of who we are becoming, 3000
MerryFaith: Because we have all come here to learn what we have chosen to study...
MerryFaith: aznd that includes bringing with us past life energies...
Khiron1771: 3K...only if you wish to examine the trees and pretend the forest doesn't exist...:)
AngelSong888: so true merryfaith
MerryFaith: that's why there are energy blocks in bodies often imprints from previous lifetimes...
AngelSong888: true again merry faith
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, seems so, but where the heck *are* we??? Is this really some "planet", or is it a shared dream?
MerryFaith: can't breathe because you suffocated in a previous lifetime...
Barbarella1101: un closed trauma
MerryFaith: This is very real...though ultimately one can view it in many ways.
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, actually, "forest" is an artificial construct that we impose on trees that get out of hand :)
MerryFaith: I believe I know what I've laid out for my life...it helps me in the decisions I've made in my life...taking one path rather than another, one lover rather than another.
Khiron1771: you cannot be anything except the truth of your reality. I dare you to prove to me that you
Khiron1771: are not anything but a massive desire to express love as fully as you possibly can.
AngelSong888: see forest used as a metaphor for not being able to see the problem/solution..for looking at the individual "trees:
MerryFaith: So, if that's true, perhaps I'm already done with this life and remembering it...
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, why would I want to prove that? I am fine with being whole and a vehicle for Love. :)
MerryFaith: but right now it feels like I am completely here and every choice I make helps to change
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MerryFaith: the destiny not only of me but of the whole.
Khiron1771: vehicle FOR love or vehicle for the expression of the love that you inherently are?
AngelSong888: like the pebble tossed into the pond
AngelSong888: the ripples flow ever outwards
AngelSong888: affecting all that it comes into contact with
Khiron1771: hey 3K? you are an absolute lovemachine* <g> It's the most base truth of all of us.......:)
MerryFaith: We are only limited by that which we can imagine or believe to be possible.
Barbarella1101: just cleared my abundance issues
AngelSong888: that is why there are those who are unable to manifest that which they want to bring into their lives, because they set limits for themselves..lock themselves into the pattern of the group reality
Khiron1771: ya have no higher goal than to express the absolute highest picture of love you possibly can deny that one, 3K?
MerryFaith: Well, it's really good to get into clearing the past life stuff which "pre-judices" us in th
AngelSong888: rather than living in their truth in each moment
HOST LFST RB3000: AngelSong, how do we live on the earth without some kind of boundaries?
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, my conserved sexual energy puts me into ecstatic trances daily :)
Barbarella1101: can only handle what u can handle...cars shake at hi speeds too
MerryFaith: Khiron, actually, I think the only reason we are here is to learn how to love ourselves.
MerryFaith: That way, we love everyone and everything else better.
Khiron1771: 3K...and i didn't even bring up sex!!!
HOST LFST RB3000: Khiron, no-- I did! :)
Barbarella1101: we are not as you can see
Juanist: we are here to learn to enhance our awareness
AngelSong888: in order to love others..first we must learn to love ourselves...UNCONDITIONALLY
Khiron1771: Merry* to learn to love ourselves, or to learn to trust that we ARE love?
AngelSong888: there are boundaries for the greater realities..but it is all part of a grander agreement, a grand drama as a dear teacher said..
Juanist: we are awareness awareness is infinity
MerryFaith: Khiron...I think I could trust that I was love but it would always be easier to love others than to love myself
Barbarella1101: altered states
HOST LFST RB3000: Barbarella, we'll get to altered states and beyond in this class :)
Khiron1771: we ARE love...there ain't no other rational choice...) It's YOU needing to
Barbarella1101: I see that
MerryFaith: Loving oneself is the hrdest thing...
Khiron1771: express love that drives you.......not you needing to receive love.
HOST LFST RB3000: GREAT comments, everyone. For our final segment of tonight's lesson, we're going to consider the Mind-Centers of the Transcendental Self, outside of what we normally consider to be our "body".
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HOST LFST RB3000: The first of the transpersonal centers that we should talk about is the Higher Emotional center, associated with the astral body and the 9th chakra, which is "outside" of the "physical body".
HOST LFST RB3000: There are reasons that the word "emotional" is included in the name, but there is nothing in the functions and vibrations of this center that resemble anything that we are accustomed to calling emotions or feelings.
HOST LFST RB3000: Instead, it is more like ecstatic levels of discernment, direct (telepathic, empathic) knowledge of experience-in-the-Moment-without-words, non-individuated awareness of the voluptuous, exquisite, breath-taking, fluid-like nectar-of-mutual-existence which is beingness-outside-of-time, overlapping worlds of nouminous sensation, in sensual ranges for which we have no physical representations.
HOST LFST RB3000: Words like "eternal bliss", "ecstatic union" and "nirvana" prove quite flat and understated when one actually experiences this level of Mind.
HOST LFST RB3000: FINALLY, the mind of the 10th chakra and the Causal Body is often called "the Higher Mental center" or "the Transcendental Intellect", although it bears no resemblance to what we mortals regard as our "intellect".
HOST LFST RB3000: At the level of this Mind, any and every impulse of intent is instantaneously elaborated down the ray of creation, complete with all requisite laws, histories, populations, interactions -- complete "has-always-been" manifestation, for only as long as that particular impulse travels.
HOST LFST RB3000: It is as if worlds and universes come into being full-fledged, manifest, interact, carry out all their dramas, beauties and horrors, and then snuff out, "never-have-been-at-all" in the same moment. This actually jibes with modern physics, in terms of how "particles" of "matter" sneak their existences in the instant allowed by the uncertainty principle.
HOST LFST RB3000: I apologize if the above makes little "sense", but please understand that the possibilities that are described by esoteric mystical tradition (including the roots of all religions) are all entirely outside of the range of ordinary senses and cognitions.
HOST LFST RB3000: But the reason that these traditions have persisted throughout history, even if they have degenerated into empty rituals and wars over dogma, is that here and there, now and then, some people get glimpses of what is possible for us.
HOST LFST RB3000: True, many such people go mad and lead mass suicides or other acts of violence because they are too small inside, too degenerate and hardened, but others have left behind for us writings and other works of vaulting inspiration containing gifts of supernatural power. Every religion and mythology abounds with stories of such people and their gifts, and I have always insisted that there must be something to them beyond wishful thinking and fantasy.
HOST LFST RB3000: First of all, because the myths and scriptures are astonishingly consistent with each other and, second, because I found that I was able to verify some of them for myself. As time went on, I found that I could verify more and more, and also identify in them what was probably fantasy or prejudice.
HOST LFST RB3000: My great wish is for you to do the same for yourself.
HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- that is all the material that I wished to present to you tonight, so let us now discuss anything about the relationships among the various centers of consciousness, and where "God" might fit into all of this. Go right ahead now please. ......................................
WhirlingRainbo: OH my
Juanist: with pure awareness we are able to move mountains
ThunderInnTheSky: RB, Religion is the Dream of Man, read Ludwig Feuerbach's The Essence of Chritianity.
MerryFaith: I think I have seen moments when I realized that spirit has feelings...
Juanist: now what is jamming that pure awareness?
HOST LFST RB3000: ThunderInnTheSky, thanks for the book tip :)
MerryFaith: that "God" must have been unhappy when a son was killed....
Khiron1771: <~~i imagine me sitting on the top of my head in the most comfortable rocker imaginable.
MerryFaith: and yet...unconditional love opens to being truly at one which is what I believe you were talking about...
HOST LFST RB3000: Juanist, christianity isn't *all* bad, you know-- there's a lot of good mystical meat hidden away in it :)
Khiron1771: ...and again. I am love looking for expression. nothing more/nothing less.
MerryFaith: the experience of the Knosos...isn't it?
WhirlingRainbo: something I am not stublin over but I think others have overlooked?
Juanist: everything arounds you becomes new and fresh when we remove the "data" about it
ThunderInnTheSky: God is perfect, we are imperfect, God is eternal, we are mortal, God is all knowing, we are
WhirlingRainbo: it does involve the bible just a bit
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, can you say more about that?
WhirlingRainbo: I am not a basher just one that tried to read it and got to the 7th day and was confused
MerryFaith: Thunder...I think God learns...if "spirit" was static, then why are we here?
ThunderInnTheSky: Religion is what we wish we COULD be but are not
DCizunas: Thunder, how do you differentiate "god" from your spiritual self?
ThunderInnTheSky: DC, the spiritual self is a projection of what we wish to be
Juanist: god you might say if you need a name is awareness
MerryFaith: 3K...I believe that we can open to that "cosmic" consciousness...
MerryFaith: we just have to trust that we are safe to do it this lifetime...
Juanist: awareness has always been here
Khiron1771: i am and i am not and i am the two that meld those together while being nothing but love
WhirlingRainbo: On the first day
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, good point. I believe that Spirit exists in but a single moment, but gets a lot of mileage out of that moment :)
Juanist: it igoes on and on it is infintiy
DCizunas: Thunder, why then can we not beome that wish?
WhirlingRainbo: GOD created the earth and the heavans the light and the darkness and seperated it from the void
ThunderInnTheSky: The more alienated a person is the more religious they become, Religion is an index of miser
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, yes-- that opening is the subject of the remainder of this class series.
Juanist: spirit moves as light and light is light speed
Barbarella1101: ahhh the void returns
ThunderInnTheSky: DC because it's a dream
WhirlingRainbo: on the 4th day GOD created the sun the moon and the stars
Juanist: spirit is light
Juanist: the sun is pure energy
MerryFaith: I've been channeling for 15 years...so I think that is sort of what comes through...
HOST LFST RB3000: WhirlingRainbo, thanks for the bible lesson, I guess :X
MerryFaith: we are all learning...
Khiron1771: i am and i am not and i am the two that meld those two togehter while being nothing but
WhirlingRainbo: on the 6th day GOD CREATED MAN
Juanist: i have been channeling for 15 minutes
WhirlingRainbo: where did the light come from on the FIRST DAY
HOST LFST RB3000: WhirlingRainbo, are you preaching, or are you going somewhere with this?
Barbarella1101: me too...rock on
Juanist: the light is awareness
Juanist: air is awareness
RochelleDo: was there a first day?
WhirlingRainbo: like i tried to explain I am confused
DCizunas: Thunder, it's quite feasible to live dreams...people do all the time :)
Juanist: light invisible
WhirlingRainbo: I don't preach host
WhirlingRainbo: you understand my question about that
MerryFaith: If Spirit knew everything, I don't think that there would be any purpose here...it would be
MerryFaith: I believe we were created to help spirit grow...
Juanist: spirit knows but it jammed
HOST LFST RB3000: WhirlingRainbo, I don't think those were even "days", first of all because there was no way to define a day, and 2nd because it was a metaphor for the ray of creation.
WhirlingRainbo: earth heaven light dark....1st day sun moon stars 4th day.....where did the light come from?
MerryFaith: because to me that is the only thing that makes any sense...
Juanist: there is silence
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WhirlingRainbo: church told me the light was the man
Juanist: but look what rushes in
DCizunas: Merry, that is my line of thought as well :)
Barbarella1101: son of god is SUN...
MerryFaith: But the problem is that many in spirit thought they knew everything...
AngelSong888: I agree merry
WhirlingRainbo: but God created man in his own imagine one the 6th day
HOST LFST RB3000: WhirlingRainbo, who was there to perceive the light?
AngelSong888: that we are here to learn to grow
WhirlingRainbo: so I am confused light on first day
Juanist: 90% of the universe is dark matter
WhirlingRainbo: dark on first
Barbarella1101: must not be so literal
Juanist: no wonder we are all jammed
MerryFaith: and now they are finding out that they didn't help us as much as they should have because..
WhirlingRainbo: sun moon stars on 4th day....man on 6th day
MerryFaith: they judged us as lesser...
WhirlingRainbo: do you understand my question Host
Barbarella1101: on 6th day he invented the internet
MerryFaith: now they are becoming human and finding out that they have to grow too....
HOST LFST RB3000: Juanist, but do we even know what "dark matter" would be? None of the "mass" may be "matter" at all, as we've been thinking of matter.
WhirlingRainbo: sub question of the first question about the bible?
WhirlingRainbo: a commandment says Honor thy mother and father
Barbarella1101: tlets all merge our subtle bodies now
Barbarella1101: with each other
OnlineHost: LoveSpirit has entered the room.
Barbarella1101: one big unified internet field
WhirlingRainbo: hmmm could that mean honor thy Mother (earth) and Father (the Heavans the sky)
Barbarella1101: higher chakras
Juanist: we all have awareness just what is that?
Khiron1771: <~~wishes nothing more than a mirror to all: may you see your own personal beauty reflected
Barbarella1101: 144 dimensions...say when you are there
WhirlingRainbo: or does it really mean honor thy parents
HOST LFST RB3000: Barbarella, maybe we've *always* been trapped on the internet, and discussions like this are our way out of it somehow...? :)
MerryFaith: Whirling...it also says that "God created man in his image..."..so what does that mean to you?
Barbarella1101: from there we can manifest anything together
DCizunas: Khiron, how beautiful!!
WhirlingRainbo: right on the 6th day
WhirlingRainbo: his imagine was his body maybe his reflection of himself?
Khiron1771: and may you never forget that you ARE absolutely gorgeous exactly as you are.
HOST LFST RB3000: <-- sees zit on nose reflected :)
Barbarella1101: internet is actually dense
Barbarella1101: yet clse as we can get to linking this way...merkabic
MerryFaith: Khiron...I think sometimes NOTHING that occurs is personal...
MerryFaith: Whirling...no---he was a creator...and so are we!
OnlineHost: LourdMoon has entered the room.
Khiron1771: you're WAY to desirable...i could wind up making a fool of myself yet again with you!!!
Juanist: what is awareness?
WhirlingRainbo: Barbarella have you never thought about insanity and spiritality
Barbarella1101: dervish.."he" was a thought turned to energy
Barbarella1101: Carolyn Myss says we must go thru it
Khiron1771: bon nuit, roomies* you ARE love. don't ever doubt it......you have an absolute right to BE the highest trust of your love you need to express.
Juanist: i am asking infinity
Barbarella1101: to get to our god state
WhirlingRainbo: there is a fine line between awakening to you subconscious mind
Juanist: now who has that link?
MerryFaith: Well, 3k...good on you...enjoy and keep the love light shining! Blessings!
HOST LFST RB3000: WhirlingRainbo, when we awaken, is there even any "life" to "understand"?
WhirlingRainbo: and once you awake u can never go back to sleep
Juanist: what it is where it comes from
HOST LFST RB3000: Two weeks from now: Identifying, Discerning, Acquiring and Dissolving Realities.
HOST LFST RB3000: Suggested reading: please continue reading Second Ring of Power, The Eagle's Gift, The Fire from Within and The Power of Silence by Castaneda; Being in Dreaming by Florinda Donner Grau; In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky. In addition, I recommend All and Everything by Gurdjieff, Babel-17 and Empire Star by Samuel Delany.
WhirlingRainbo: you can awaken your subconcious which communicates with your spiritual guides self etc
MerryFaith: 3k...you should get Robert Detzler's book called "Soul Recreation" ...think you'd like it...
Barbarella1101: 99-100 = god realized
JeannieJ1: 3k have you read.........GOD I AM?
Barbarella1101: channel the guy/gal who "wrote" the book...much more fun
HOST LFST RB3000: MerryFaith, thanks-- I'll look for it. :)
Juanist: when you dart past death and are free you can claim godhood
WhirlingRainbo: look at the high school killings
WhirlingRainbo: dark is more aware than light
MerryFaith: Whirling....please....spirit is so much more than one religious book....
MerryFaith: so much more than one tradition...
Taweyah: look pass the high school killings, Whirling.
Log Entry: The New Age [Members - 25] 6/7/2001 09:15 PM
HOST LFST RB3000: Good night, everyone -- remember we'll be back for class in two weeks, and also come on in on Wednesday midnights. Let me know if you'd like our newsletter :)
Log Entry: The New Age [Members - 24] 6/7/2001 09:16 PM