Awakening in God-Consciousness, class #8

© 2001, Barry M Klein, Los Angeles


Log Entry:  The New Age [Members - 13] 6/21/2001 08:00 PM

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, friends  --- now we can start  -- Eighth Class of *Awakening*in*God*Consciousness*:

HOST LFST RB3000: The relationship between personal consciousness and God, part 2. 

HOST LFST RB3000: Last time we explored some models of the structure of the personal mind, and extended it up to the higher mind.

Tripsis2u:  Host, are you saying that we have a separate consciousness from God?

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, well, how do you account for being this individual?

LunarSpell: the individual is the physical form of being

Tripsis2u:  I believe that we may have lapses when our consciousness may be "separated"..but not sure if that is just a state of being because of our mind being self centered at times.

LunarSpell: the "consciousness" is the inner being which is no different or separate from the Creator

Jadestro:   there is never separation only the perception of it

HOST LFST RB3000: LunarSpell, you are of course correct philosophically, but it turns out to be a rare and miraculous event for someone to reunite their consciousness with the One.

Wackron:    samadhi

Jadestro:   i am the one and so are you

Wackron:    i am one in u.. u r one in me..

Kaliopieh:  and you believe that, Wack?

HOST LFST RB3000: THE featured subject for tonight is The relationship between personal consciousness and God. I've always been intrigued by questions like, "Am I my own consciousness, or am I the dream of a higher being?" or "Is everything I experience just my own moment of death?"  Then who is running everything while I'm dreaming? Does everyone somehow share the same consciousness at some level? Is that what God is?

Wackron:    it is not my will .. it is Divine will..

Kaliopieh:  when you "dream" are in other realms

Jadestro:   God’s first thought "I am" and second thought "What am I"?

Wackron:    even whn u think u r in control.. u r not... divine is..

Jadestro:   same as us

LunarSpell: are you functioning on this plane of existence???

Kaliopieh:  no man....has ever been able to explain man's need to sleep

Wackron:    as above so below...

Kaliopieh:  and we need it because it's when we "go home"

HOST LFST RB3000: Jadestro, I believe you are correct, and how God answers His question is quite amazing!  :)

Jadestro:   I believe God answered saying "I am all I create"

Wackron:    upon death. u will know all.. things.

Wackron:    thus deciding ur own punishment..

HOST LFST RB3000: ******* Before we begin the formal session, are there any questions or comments about the class in general, or about these subjects?

Kaliopieh:  we see what we more no less

Jadestro:   i said and i may be lying God answered saying "I am all I create"

Wackron:    u choose to return.. and to which parents ...

Wackron:    perhaps.. u long  to return to the physical world...

Wackron:    re experience..

LaNinaAngel:      cause iam alone...till someone get here to be with me

Kaliopieh:  right...but why would you choose to come back if you got ALL the answers when you died?

LaNinaAngel:      I want to see answers to questions running through my mind

Wackron:    perhaps u have a longing to return to the physical world and re-experience a portion of it..

Jadestro:   well now there you go

Kaliopieh:  but if you didn't get all the answers, right?

Kaliopieh:  what else could bring you back?

Wackron:    perhaps that is still ur path..

Jadestro:   Host what is your view on Gods answer to "what am i "?

HOST LFST RB3000: Jadestro, we'll be getting to all that really soon  :)

HOST LFST RB3000: All right, then -- let us begin

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HOST LFST RB3000: First let's just take a quick review of the structure of the mind of man, according to an esoteric doctrine that I have been following for 35 years.

  This model says that there is an independent center for each type of cognition and assemblage that we have available to us.  As we indicated last week, it can be easily shown that most of these mind-centers are in bad disrepair, and are attempting to do each other's work, for which they are not at all suited.

Here is just a list of all the mind-centers we discussed last time, along with their synopses, to which I have added more comments.

     Please don't try to take notes or memorize any of this -- I am summarizing this model here only to set up a bit of a structure with which to work.  I'll go through them really quickly ...


a. The intellect, or "the mind of talking" - this center deals with basic cognition, ideation, comparison, categorization - in what we call the "normal" mind, mostly all that is going on is judgments, griping and instant categorization without any real understanding.

   This center also has primary responsibility for editing our experiences and impressions into a "coherent" "reality".  The intellectual center may also be described as the principal governing center of the third story of man.

b. The Emotional center - this function properly discerns among "flavors of energies", driving forces of the feelings -- this does not include negativity or the indulgences that we normally refer to as "feelings". 

Almost everything that we do normally regard as our "emotions" and "feelings" are intruders set up by the wrong work of the other centers.

     So we go around with judgments in the intellectual center, that we mostly made by the time we were three years old, go around parading as "this is how I really feel!"  or "I feel that <some blame or artifice of self-pity>"

     The emotional center may also be described as the principal governing center of the second story of man.


The following three centers share governance of the first story of man.  As such, they alternate roles according to the "Law of Three," but the Sexual center, working properly with its native energy, is the finest, the hottest and the fastest.

c. The Moving center - imitated skills of movement, mostly connected with the voluntary muscles - proper control and alignment of this center permits entry into the Higher functions because of habituating or installing our new "wiring". 

d. The instinctive center - reflexes, hardwired responses and activities that are not learned, mainly connected with the smooth or involuntary musculature

e. The Sexual center - channeled and harmonized correctly (which is extremely rare) - this is the finest and fastest of our native energies, and can match the Higher Emotional center.  In ordinary people, these energies are always perverted or dissipated into unnecessary vehemence, violence, delusion, fantasy, nationalism, berserkism, cruelty, racism, etc.


The next two mind-centers are regarded as the governance of the fourth and fifth stories of man, and are named similarly to the previous, but only for purposes of organizing the model -- their actual energies and functions would be entirely incomprehensible to us.

   The only reason that we can talk about them here at all is that they can and have been witnessed and experienced, and reports of these experiences have sifted back down to us, in various forms, although these too are generally mistaken.

f. The Higher Emotional - begins works at the same speed as pure sexual emanation, but has different properties and objectives. Associated with the Astral Body and the 8th chakra. The Higher Emotional center allows certain levels of manifestation of the Will, and allows the Attention to move into parallel worlds. Slight brushes with this center causes ecstatic religious experiences, visions and certain types of miracles, as well as tyranny, cruelty and degeneration into a labyrinth of spells and curses..

g. The Higher Mental - associated with the Mental body and the 9th chakra. This is the vessel of Direct Knowing in infinity and eternity - not bound by time or distance, nor even by particular realities.  It also determines the deflection of the divine emanations.


Finally we get to The Mind of God, Cosmic Consciousness, The Void.  Associated with the "10th" chakra and the Causal "body" or the vessel of Pure Will or intent.  The immediate Source and Recipient of all possibilities at once. Entirely outside of time and inside of "space." The Unknowable Divine.


HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- the floor is open for your ideas and questions about

HOST LFST RB3000: the proper functions of the mind-centers.  Go right ahead now please       ......................................

Kaliopieh:  cognition=capacity to comprehend ideas

Kaliopieh:  next phase=emotions

Kaliopieh:  we see what we want to see

Tripsis2u:  deflection of divine emanations?

Kaliopieh:  in one simple line

Tripsis2u:  why would anyone want to deflect divine emanations?

HOST LFST RB3000: Kaliopieh, I agree with you that, to some extent, we see what we want to see, but that turns out to be limited by whatever power we have each accumulated.

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, yes, I should elaborate on that idea, shouldn't I?

Jadestro:   Host..tell me what Gods answer be...huh?

Jadestro:   when God asked himself "What am I"

LaNinaAngel:      in my blank state of mind right now...the registered thought is the totality of the mind

LaNinaAngel:      you are trying to apply something that has no words to a vabulary..I know the answers but without words

DCizunas:   .."Under all circumstances keep an even mind"

DCizunas:   -- A.J. Davis

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LaNinaAngel:      i feel them and see them

DCizunas:   Seems it takes on new meaning when discussing the higher levels

HOST LFST RB3000: LaNinaAngel, that is always an issue-- I think that's why everything is always given in metaphors and parables, right?

LaNinaAngel:      yes..I agree

HOST LFST RB3000: Although it turns out that a lot of the descriptions are contained in sacred rituals and monuments.

LaNinaAngel:      the restriction of the vocabulary hinders us to communicated what we really want to know or s…

HOST LFST RB3000: LaNinaAngel, it turns out that communication becomes easy and telepathic even, when the people who are communicating reach the ecstatic energy levels.

LaNinaAngel:      trying to label things that have no name

adlai42day: mind over matter

LaNinaAngel:      i totally agree with that host...but what happens when you try to explain it to someone who is not on that higher level?

Wackron:    yes.. telepathic does work...

HOST LFST RB3000: LaNinaAngel, they'll reject it, or they'll appropriate it for some low purpose, like the Tarot.

LaNinaAngel:      who is not open to telepathic communications

HOST LFST RB3000: Wackron, meaning you are for it or against it -- Kaballah?

Tripsis2u:  we only have an hour to cover all this stuff and there is too much digression from the topic

Wackron:    Tarot is akin to Kabbalistic understandings..

HOST LFST RB3000: Wackron, yes, for sure-- so?

Wackron:    the persona of Tarot is distorted by commercial enterprise

HOST LFST RB3000: Wackron, that was my exact point -- but I don't think Kaballah has been commercialized much.

Tripsis2u:  what do tarot cards have to do with separated consciousness from God

Kaliopieh:  it doesn't......and linking it with Tarot is a "new" idea, as history goes

LaNinaAngel:      talking inside of your head is not a telepathic communication... its your internal dialogue

Wackron:    Host.. not as much Host.. but it has..

Tripsis2u:  or the Kaballah?

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, it is from the Tarot that gambling cards are derived, and people go deeply into separation with such vices.

Wackron:    Trip.. may be utilized as tools..

Wackron:    to assist.. u on your journey..

Tripsis2u:  I see so you associating sepatate consciousness with vice?

Wackron:    LaNina.. we all experience change..

Theban2000: LaNiña: We are all going through that change constantly... thanks God.

Wackron:    no Trip.. i did not state vice.. i said tools..

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, just to the degree that our indulgences allow us to justify our separation, see?

LaNinaAngel:      amen

Wackron:    there r times.. things may or may not assist u in clarity..

Wackron:    u r not to become dependant upon them..

LaNinaAngel:      but right now i cant help but wonder where a human being who was a terrible person go when they die

Tripsis2u:  WHo is to say what indulgences are separate from God?

HOST LFST RB3000: ***** GREAT comments, everyone. Now let us examine the relationship between personal cognition/experience and Divine Universality.

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HOST LFST RB3000: A GOOD WAY to approach this next section is to explain how psychic phenomena, as well as the more mysterious properties of relativity and quantum mechanics, operate.

     The reason I lump these disparate studies together is that they share the same basic "problem", which is that apparently unconnected "facts" exhibit intimate relationships with each other.

     People receiving telepathic transmissions, healing from a distance, knowing that a plane will crash, your life being saved by a seemingly arbitrary change of plan, finding some lost object in the same place it was originally expected to be, but wasn't until now.

     In relativity, we have photons emitted at the origin of the universe many billions of years ago, now reaching us, but their flight recorder posts no elapsed time at all.

     In quantum phenomena, we have experiments which change their own past according to which "observation" is being conducted, and we have particles separated by "great distances", but which "know" simultaneously any change made upon their mate.


SO, friends, do you see that it may all be a problem with our perspective, just as with mediaeval "scientists" who prejudiced all their observations with the assumption of a flat earth orbitted by a bowl of stars and planets.

     We are just as prejudiced as they are, and it is because we rely on "observations" made from too small a perspective.  Remember how the Caribbean natives could not even see Columbus' ships anchored off-shore, because they had no internal model for their existence.

     It's not really much different from the fact that my cats can't organize anything that I do with my hands, because they have no mental wiring for hands; therefore everything I do for them is a flat-out miracle.

     We are in exactly the same position. We assume "distance", "sequence of events", "age of the universe", "cause-and-effect" , separateness and "evolution" simply because we cannot see the whole of what is before us for what it is.

      Do you see where this is going?  We can know the "future" and we can affect "each other" "at a distance" precisely because there truly is no "each other" and there is no "distance" nor "passage of time".  It is all within the same holographic cognition.

     Regardless of whether you can accept my premises, don't you have to admit that such a point of view eliminates the problems I pointed out earlier?  It is now no surprise at all for me to know and directly affect what is next to me, obvious, present in the same moment, made of my own material, just like I can operate my fingers and my own voice.


HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- the floor is open for your ideas and questions about the Mind-Centers of the lower story of a human.  Go right ahead now please. ......................................

HOST LFST RB3000: (or any of the ideas I just talked about :)

Wackron:    pyrimidial .. creations.. as above .. will also exist below..

Wackron:    wht transpires above.. will also exist below..

Theban2000: Thank you... for your lesson about the Perfect Present...

HOST LFST RB3000: Wackron, how does that pertain here?

Jwgannon:   right...everything is as you think it is and not as "it is"

Assisi4:    Not all miracles occur in the spiritual ethereal realms

Wackron:    creation.. r capable of creating your own reality.. '

Jwgannon:   reality does not exist outside of your ability to experience it

HOST LFST RB3000: Jwgannon, to me, it's like traveling in Europe, but never knowing where I've been till I develop my pictures  :)

Tripsis2u:  interesting about the experiments

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HOST LFST RB3000: Jwgannon, then do you believe there IS an objective reality of some kind, "out there"?

LaNinaAngel:      very interesting to me as a channeler

Wackron:    therefore. u must be open and receptive..

Assisi4:    Host: I'm not getting the "develped picture" symbolism

HOST LFST RB3000: Assisi, we "develop" our perceptions, rather than being HERE witnessing.

Tripsis2u:  particles have "mates"?

Jwgannon:   yes and no to objective reality (of course) 

DCizunas:   It sounds to me like we are developing a "new

DCizunas:   brand" of that is schooled and

DCizunas:   intuitive at the same time

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, hasn't that always been the way it was?

Assisi4:    Host: do you feel there is no level where we are just witnessing?

HOST LFST RB3000: Assisi, there IS a level wherein we CAN witness, with enough discipline and help.

DCizunas:   3K, not at certain periods...seers would plead

DCizunas:   that they had no knowledge whatsoever to prove

DCizunas:   that they were genuine

Wackron:    proof?.. why prove... ?... enter faith..

Tripsis2u:  what is this about taking the same experiments but getting different results due to the intention of a subsequent experiment?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, they just don't want to get caught up with those who are not sufficiently prepared.

DCizunas:   3K, very true :)

Assisi4:    Wolf: we were probably all there at one time or another :)

Tripsis2u:  not sure I understand what is meant by different observation during the experiment...

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, if you "observe for" a wave, it produces the results of a wave, similarly for particles, etc.

HOST LFST RB3000: That is, the experiments change according to what the observer expects.

Tripsis2u:  are there different ways to "observe for"

DCizunas:   3K, in relation to that, what if you experiment

DCizunas:   with no results at all in mind?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, then you get *no results*  :)

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, yes, and that is why we perceive the "realities" that we each do -- we are "observing for" what we are programmed to expect.

Jwgannon:   I was in the mental-only aspects of new age for many years...been there done that.. too much

LaNinaAngel:      sound is defined through a vibration of the ears.. if a tree falls and we are not there to heAR IT ..DOES IT STILL MAKE A SOUND?

Theban2000: Then... the subconscious mind is the key to a true awakening... maybe?

LaNinaAngel:      Tripsis2u:  aha!! you say programmed.....hmmmmm

Tripsis2u:  that implies entity outside of ourself

LaNinaAngel:      again.. the restriction of the vocabulary

HOST LFST RB3000: LaNinaAngel, I like to say, the tree never falls until I am there to see and hear it, and even then, what did I perceive?


LaNinaAngel:      :)) thats gets a smile

Tripsis2u:  do you also mean "conditioned?"

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, yes, "conditioned" except that implies some agent that conditions …

HOST LFST RB3000: ... See Schroedinger's famous experiment -- the cat is neither alive nor dead until the box is opened.

Wackron:    so eliminate expectations.. when in observation

Tripsis2u:  how we acquire our associative behaviors?

Tripsis2u:  don't tell me it was dead one time and alive afterwards based on a different "observed for" event.

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, it never really took place-- it was a "thought experiment" :)

Tripsis2u:  anyhow getting back to conditions reflex and the like....

DCizunas:   Carrying this one step forward, if one would mix

DCizunas:   two chemicals to see what would happen, would

DCizunas:   there be no reaction to every combination tried?

Tripsis2u:  when we give knee jerk reaction to certain situations, are we separated in consciousness from God?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, in Newtonian space-time, chemistry is very consistent and predictable.

DCizunas:   3K, then what chemistry should I read to get a different view?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, that of quantum mechanics and relativity and alchemy and mysticism.

LaNinaAngel:      with just two...yes there would be a restriction in would not be limitless

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, sure-- our reactions prevent us from staying present with what-is, so we miss the Moment.

DCizunas:   3K, ah, think I see...small reaction has no effect on the whole, just a minute thing of no import

Tripsis2u:  we miss the moment because we have created a habit from expectation, anticipation or whatever?

Theban2000: It is also possible that different witnesses could detect different reactions of the same eperiment

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, au contraire-- *every*thing* creates the universe – every thought, every conditioned attitude, every word, every act.

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, please see my comment just now.

Alohananda: is there a correlation between transcendental "time" and quantum "time"?

Assisi4:    We all have that ability to change habits...we underestimate that.

DCizunas:   3K, but on the whole as such, droughts and

DCizunas:   plagues have no import on that not affected, no?

Tripsis2u:  so you would surmise that even consciousness "separated:" from God, also has creative power in the universe?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, everything is equally important and unimportant-- equal, see?

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LaNinaAngel:      i would yes to that trips

DCizunas:   3K, gotcha, thanks :)

Assisi4:    Trips: it is no accident where anyone is in there experience or growth

Alohananda: how can anything be "separated" from God, Tripsis?

BSoothsayer:      BY CHOICE

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, what do you mean by "creative power"?  Is it fine with you to go to your grave ignorant and helpless?????

Tripsis2u:  that was the nature of the original question of the class

Tripsis2u:  whether or not there are laspes where human consciousness may be separate from God

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, just that everything is connected, so every way we hold the world, our perceptions, affects what we CAN perceive and know.

Assisi4:    Trips: yes

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, our whole LIFE is a lapse of consciousness, in a way.

LaNinaAngel:      yes..I was seperated from God in death yet I still thought...until I was united with him again

LaNinaAngel:      but during my journey to him.. I was a separate unite of thought but I was part of the universe...we were one

Assisi4:    yet still have a profound affect on my life.


HOST LFST RB3000: GREAT comments, everyone. For our final segment of tonight's lesson, we're going to consider the configurations and layers of the HU-man and Divine assemblages.

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HOST LFST RB3000: ESOTERIC literature abounds with depictions of the layers and configurations of the HUman assemblages. One of them is the image of the horse and carriage, with its driver and master.

     Basically, the carriage is the "physical body", the horse that moves it is the emotions, the driver is the mind, and the master is the owner, the lord, the responsible actor, whereas the driver, if he is to do his job well, must understand and be capable of following the orders of the master.

     Similarly, the horse must be harnessed to the carriage correctly, and the reins must be attached properly.  The horse should have been groomed and fed, the carriage lubricated and repaired, and the driver familiarized with details of the journey.

Instead, we find ourselves with a broken-down hack, pulled by a mangy nag, up and down the street, in the service of drunks and prostitutes who have the fare to hire a ride.


HOST LFST RB3000: A GOOD system of gradation goes along with that: Man#1, Man#2 and Man#3 are the ordinary level, Man#4 -- Balanced Man -- is at a higher level, and Man#5, Man#6 and Man#7 are the immortal levels.

     In this organization, Man#1 are people for whom everything is taken in terms of appearances; Man#2 are emotionally organized people, and Man#3 are intellectual people who take everything in terms of ideas and abstracts.

     But even a genius Man#3 is at the same level of being as any Man#1 or Man#2, because s/he lacks the perspective, dimensionality, speed, intensity and connectedness of Man#4, who is the product of an esoteric school or, occasionally, someone who has been raised to be balanced in his/her essence rather than in false personality.


HOST LFST RB3000: A third system that I will mention is one in which humans are organized in terms of illumination of fibers and chambers: ordinary people have only a very small range of fibers lit up in only one of either two or four chambers.

     Usually, any attempt to ignite other, unused, fibers meets with anger, fear, suspicion and violence in the person, because their apparatus doesn't have sufficient connectivity set up.  If they are forced to illuminate other ranges of fibers, they may go mad or die or fall unconscious, and then either deny the images of their brief illumination, or pass themselves off as the next prophet, with disastrous results.


HOST LFST RB3000: A few people who have undergone decades of discipline, have the ability to integrate the illumination of the unused fibers, and even to operate consciously in the other chamber(s).

     Among the properties of these new connections and assemblages, are coherent visions and revelation, prophecy, healing at a distance, the ability to be in two places at once or to travel any distance (in time or space) in a flash, and to do materializations.

     The property that we are most interested in, in this class, is the ability to align the fibers of personal consciousness with the Fibers of Existence.  When this occurs, it is said that "the will of the man is the Will of God".

     As these alignments strengthen and deepen in such a person, they are said to achieve the level first of Warrior, then of Magus, Prophet, Saint, Wizard, Sorcerer or Avatar.  These correspond, more or less, with Man#4 through Man#7 which I mentioned earlier.


HOST LFST RB3000: ****** OK, friends -- that is all the material that I wished to present to you tonight, so let us now discuss anything about the relationships among the various centers of consciousness, and where "God" might fit into all of this.  Go right ahead now please. ......................................

Boldieu:    Host-what is that from?

Alohananda: are we using fiber optics?

LaNinaAngel:      ummm i see carlos castaneda

Boldieu:    sounds sorta like Wilber

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, a lot of places-- I'll give my reading list in a little bit. :)

Wackron:    we r all related... :)

Boldieu:    thanks LF

HOST LFST RB3000: LaNinaAngel, right, and Gurdjieff, Native American, Buddhist, the Tao...

Boldieu:    good synthesis, LF

Alohananda: unless one is living in a traditional culture as a "shaman" if one allows oneself to get to

Alohananda: level 4 or above one will be institutionalized for being "different from society's "norm"

Tripsis2u:  I remember reading something in the Bible akin to that about how  things are "Seared" into t

Tripsis2u:  the brain, I wonder if it meant the same thing.

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, those are instances of ecstatic witnessing, IMO.

Boldieu:    thats the beauty of living here, now... we can synthesize all this wisdom

Theban2000: Host: If you have to resume it all in three words... what will you say?

HOST LFST RB3000: Theban, I wouldn't say anything-- I would dance!  :)

Boldieu:    darn good answer LF

Theban2000: Great... thank you.

HOST LFST RB3000: <-- does dance, for 12 hours at a time  :)

Boldieu:    wow LF

Boldieu:    i would pass out


HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, the rituals that I undertake require a long-enough persistence to get specific magical results.

Boldieu:    yes LF-i would imagine

JeannieJ1:  crowley’s magical results 3K?

Alohananda: living on society's fringe?

HOST LFST RB3000: JeannieJ, mostly I find that Crowley missed the best parts.  :)

Boldieu:    i think that was all over my head LF

Boldieu:    but you seemed to do a masterly job

JeannieJ1:  his teachings are dangerous

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, you'll read the logs, you'll try the practices, and you'll find that something in you already has got it. :)

Boldieu:    okee LF-gotcha

Blue Rose Soul:   aleister crowley... golden dawn

HOST LFST RB3000: Blue Rose Soul, also Israel Regardie

JeannieJ1:  had someone once use it............he almost killed himself

HOST LFST RB3000: .... BUT the magic that I am talking about is not all that hocus-pocus-- it is the miracle of witnessing the Moment of the Present as it is.

Blue Rose Soul:   my brother was doing one of the rituals and had some weird stuff happen.. scared him to death -- he never did any again

Theban2000: Host: It was a great learning (remembering) experience.  Thank you.

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Boldieu:    LF.... i wasnt aware that it could be called magic

Wackron:    Blue.. yes. golden dawn society...

HOST LFST RB3000: Wackron, we are examining what the "normal" mindset is, and how we miss everything due to our conditioning and our editing and our lack of the requisite energy.  ...

Boldieu:    oh yes LF- so true

JeannieJ1:  3k exactly what do you mean by that???????????

WolfoWyrd:    We only use 10 % of our brainys...right?

HOST LFST RB3000: ... And then we are looking at what the alignment with the One, holographically, could be like, what the Miraculous is, what Existence is in this perspective.

Boldieu:    we are conditioned to be empirical

HOST LFST RB3000: WolfoWyrd, not even 10%

Wackron:    Wolf.. think i tapped a bit more today. for a longer duration.. lol

Alohananda: HOST: how does society pressure us to "conform" and adhere to its standard of "NORMAL"?

Boldieu:    not to learn from intuition and such

Boldieu:    western soc is very analytical

Boldieu:    not believing in what they cant test

HOST LFST RB3000: Alohananda, from the moment of our "birth", the others in this "world" teach us their worldview-- until we know it, we cannot function in their society-- any society.

Boldieu:    only living with 5 senses

WolfoWyrd:    So....what should we tap into the other wasted tissue?

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, there are a LOT more senses to go.

SOUTHERN  ALOHA:  only 5 ??

Boldieu:    yes LF-thats my point

Boldieu:    i am working on my intuition

Boldieu:    the inner voice

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, right-- also a lot more language -- on very different levels.

Alohananda: what's the fine line between being "eccentric and being a madman"?

Waheyleah:  that is a good thing to listen too Bold :)

Boldieu:    South- thats what i mean- western minds are accustomed to using only 5

HOST LFST RB3000: Alohananda, more interesting perhaps, is the diff between madness and prophecy.

Boldieu:    yes Wah-- it takes practice

JeannieJ1:  probably using your right/wrong knowledge correctly


Waheyleah:  indeed Bold it does,,it takes alot of silence too

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, we don't even use the five-- we mix up their messages and make up scenarious, then patch them together with justifications.

Alohananda: who defines "madness" and what is judged "prophetic"?

Waheyleah:  ((((((((Stinger)))))))))))) :)

Boldieu:    Alo-shrinks

Cruxxlin:   one persons madness is another’s prophecy

Boldieu:    there is progress in that realm

Brangwen 1: most of the prophets of the Bible were considered mad or evil

JeannieJ1:  our own reality .... this is where judgment comes from

Boldieu:    Med world is taking notice of spiritual expcs that are not psychotic

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, you think the world has "progress"??? Maybe you believe in "evolution" too? :)

SOUTHERN  ALOHA:  is  it not mad to tie your only child up for burning or is it prophic

Boldieu:    yes LF-i do believe in spiritual evolution

Brangwen 1: that story of Abraham and Isaac always bothered me

Boldieu:    LF-it seems to be following the chakra system

adlai42day: Brangwen it is a pictorial of the death of Jesus

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, roughly yes.  :)

Tripsis2u:  Host::could you please tie this in with the "deflection of divine emanations?"

SOUTHERN  ALOHA:  now  they would be institutionalized right

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, first we learn to see and feel the emanations of the Laws, and then we develop enough Power to direct them, see?

Boldieu:    LF-who put this study together?

HOST LFST RB3000: Topic for July 12: Identifying, Discerning, Acquiring and Dissolving Realities.

HOST LFST MikeB:  oh right that just happened, post partum depression

HOST LFST RB3000: Suggested reading: please continue reading Second Ring of Power, The Eagle's Gift, The Fire from Within and The Power of Silence by Castaneda; Being in Dreaming by Florinda Donner Grau; In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky.  In addition, I recommend All and Everything by Gurdjieff, Babel-17 and Empire Star by Samuel Delany.

Tripsis2u:  some laws we experience are not harmonious with absolute laws of universal truth

Boldieu:    cool LF-thanks

Pandav900000:     3k,GOD is only one powerful thought away

Pandav900000:     3k,the pure thought that enables us to celebrate a meeting with him is that i am an immortal soul,a spiritual child of the almighty spiritual father

Cruxxlin:   I've already read most of that list....good stuff

HOST LFST RB3000: Pandav, *REALLY* powerful "INTENT", not just thought.

Tripsis2u:  thanks Host for an interesting discussion, it must be frustrating sometimes, though to cover everything to everyone's desire.

Boldieu:    lots of disembodied souls would like to be here, i understand

Brangwen 1: our spirit is having a body experience

Pandav900000:     Bold,thru practice this awareness becomes natural

Pandav900000:     and we once again attain perfection

adlai42day: Pand - we are already perfect - we just need to become aware of our perfection

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, not necessary to be frustrated-- this is the way this particular medium is, and I am happy that it is available to us. :)

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Boldieu:    Yogananda said that we can reach the point where we realize that we are NOT  suffering as we think we are

Tripsis2u:  so am I, thank you

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, right, or we can *suffer* without pain -- why is that?

Boldieu:    LF--perspective--in short-- knowing who we are


HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, actually, it is our inner talking that produces all our synthesis of "pain".

Boldieu:    LF--yeah.....

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, we all think we "know who we are", but we are blind to ourselves.

Boldieu:    LF-well.. there is knowing the ego and then knowing who we truly are

Boldieu:    yes?

SOUTHERN  ALOHA:  your tied to much to this place and time expand

Pandav900000:     adlai,yes,in your roiginal form u r a perfect being of light and might

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, yes-- and the real self-knowledge is magical.  :)

Boldieu:    yes LF-- agreed

HOST LFST RB3000: Boldieu, everyone is a neophyte -- *especially* those who profess to know.  :)

Boldieu:    make it real and it will be there during tough times-they get redefined

Pandav900000:     adlai, to believe means to become

HOST LFST RB3000: adlai42day, good-- keep sitting there until you are enlightened.  :)

Brangwen 1: magick can be done with proper work and study

Pandav900000:     and my current tapasaya is in attaining perfection thru unlimited renunciation of the vices

adlai42day: so U believe

HOST LFST RB3000: Pandav, would good does it do for "it" to "renounce"??  This minute I renounce, the next minute I mug you for it.  :)

Tripsis2u:  which came first the neophyte or the sychophant?

Boldieu:    best advice i have received from spirit-- as spirit, we dont stress or strive

HOST LFST RB3000: OK, FRIENDS -- that's it for tonight's class ...

Pandav900000:     3k,to renounce means to bid farewell for good

Pandav900000:     adlai,point is there canot be oneness till we al agree on this one highest on high truth


HOST LFST RB3000: ... Topic for July 12: Identifying, Discerning, Acquiring and Dissolving Realities.


HOST LFST RB3000: Suggested reading: please continue reading Second Ring of Power, The Eagle's Gift, The Fire from Within and The Power of Silence by Castaneda; Being in Dreaming by Florinda Donner Grau; In Search of the Miraculous by P.D. Ouspensky.  In addition, I recommend All and Everything by Gurdjieff, Babel-17 and Empire Star by Samuel Delany.

Tripsis2u:  Thank you RB

Galaxon:    I suggest that the 3k man read all the books by Neville goddard

Log Entry:  The New Age [Members - 20] 6/21/2001 09:38 PM