11th Class of *Awakening in God Consciousness*:

“The Great Seals of Being”  © 2001, Barry M Klein, Los Angeles


Log Entry:             The New Age [Members - 13] 8/9/2001 08:00 PM

HOST LFST RB3000:   Good evening, dear friends  :)

Elektrana:         Hi, Host

HOST LFST RB3000:   (When we're all ready, we'll be having our 11th class on Awakening

HOST LFST RB3000:   Consciousness for the next two hours :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   11th Class of *Awakening in God Consciousness*:

HOST LFST RB3000:   The Great Seals of Being

HOST LFST RB3000:   Topic #11 for August 9: The Great Seals of Being.  Tonight we look at the treasures that are hidden all around us in plain sight, why we left them there (here) for our self, and how to claim them.  This is the penultimate class of our six-month series, just one more after this, two weeks from now.


HOST LFST RB3000:   Last time we discussed Our Appointment with Death -- how our existence and non-existence are only two sides of a gateway, and how to meet this appointment with the Self as a warrior and a seer.

HOST LFST RB3000:   FIRST OF ALL, let's talk about what these treasures might be, and why we would want them.  Mythology and scripture are full of metaphors like the holy grail, the golden fleece, the philosopher's stone, Shangri-la, the pot at the end of the rainbow, the ark of the covenant, the seven-league boots, the seven wonders, and the quests of Ulysses, Sinbad and the prophets.

HOST LFST RB3000:   .

HOST LFST RB3000:   They were seeking immortality, gold, power, knowledge and happiness, and the powers of the gods, or the dark side: power to destroy and kill, knowledge of curses and evil, objects of greed and indulgence or revenge and domination through alliance with demons and devils. Which side depending on their spiritual maturity.

HOST LFST RB3000:   .

HOST LFST RB3000:   BUT THESE depictions of the treasures are decoys or cyphers for what we are really out to find. If there is a holy grail from which to drink immortality, it is a life-long drink of wisdom gained through forbearance,

HOST LFST RB3000:   service and humility.

HOST LFST RB3000:   If there is a "philosopher's stone" with which to turn "base metal" into "gold", it is knowledge and power gained through obedience to sacred doctrine, through ruthlessly learning all one's defects, through forgiveness and compassion -- all of these provide the alchemical basis for self-transformation according to esoteric law.

HOST LFST RB3000:   .

HOST LFST RB3000:   Then, when illumination and grace come, their material is whatever pain and suffering that we have transformed in ourselves through the very practices that we have been discussing and, I hope, attempting.

HOST LFST RB3000:   AND IF THERE are holy relics, arks of the covenant and tabernacles of sorceric power, their usage must not come from coveting or hoarding them, because such usage by "sinners" always results in horrors: genocide, mass suicide, senseless violence, and allowing the unholy to walk the earth.

HOST LFST RB3000:   But the combination of innocence and Knowledge-with-a-capital-K can dare to wield a holy object or gaze into the Ark or stand on the mountain. 

HOST LFST RB3000:   Innocence born of the fires of purification, and Knowledge as the fruit of patient and courageous witnessing-without-words.

HOST LFST RB3000:   .

HOST LFST RB3000:   WE CAN identify such treasures for ourselves if we treat each moment and every event in our lives as miraculous, and every being as divine and precious, and ourselves as being equal to a dung beetle, as Castaneda puts it.  Everything equal, with no consequence to the result, but committed as if it were our last gasp on earth.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Then we will notice all the synchronicities, omens, mismatches, incredibilities, impossibilities and the numinous shine of the invisible world's objects.

HOST LFST RB3000:   ****** OK Friends, the floor is now open for your comments and questions on noticing the treasures of the supernatural, and the awful responsibility of their custodianhship.  Go right ahead now please.

Azure Lake:      I think we can see these treasures you speak of once we come out of our societal mindset.

DLewisSticky:   RB:  do you believe in a "Devil"?

HOST LFST RB3000:   DLewisSticky, not one particular devil -- I find that we keep creating them.  :)

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Azure Lake:      It's true you can only see all as treasure when you are on the edge.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, where is the edge?

Azure Lake:      When you are about to die, or even if not, as if...

WayOfEagle:    Is not all you have said just a way of making us realize that immortality is ever within us and that all is one and no beginning and no end

Azure Lake:      But it is to feel the intensity, the passion, of all...

Azure Lake:      the ecstasy, Yes I do dare say it ...

HOST LFST RB3000:   WayOfEagle, not "just", because I am trained to regard immortality and the other features of whole-beingness as not-guaranteed.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, yes, like dying, like exploding into a billion pieces, all sentient...

WayOfEagle:    Is not the end of life itself joining our Creator as one in the end?

WayOfEagle:    however lifetimes it make take?

RochelleDo:      "immortality" is the ability to maintain

RochelleDo:      corporeal existence?

Azure Lake:      Even the middle and start of life is joining the Creator, if you have that perspective.

HOST LFST RB3000:   WayOfEagle, the "end" is right here/now, and so is "the beginning".  The Creator is always here-I-am.

WayOfEagle:    yes .. I know that

HOST LFST RB3000:   WayOfEagle, all "lifetimes" are regarded as absolutely concurrent, parallel and alternating, in this paradigm.

Azure Lake:      There has been too much emphasis on linearness.

WayOfEagle:    Before Creation itself I AM

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, I intend to dispel that illusion.  :)

Azure Lake:      Bravo!

WayOfEagle:    However it is we still have this lifetime to live

HOST LFST RB3000:   WayOfEagle, stick around, and I'll demonstrate that there can be no "before".  :)

WayOfEagle:    ok

Azure Lake:      We must ever remind ourselves that we have now to live.

HOST LFST RB3000:   WayOfEagle, "this"???  Not just the "one" that you think you are experiencing, for sure, at all.  :)

Azure Lake:      Why do we look down on our pets who live in the now?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, because they are fixed (more or less) where they are, which is in different phase to the dimensions than "we" are.

Azure Lake:      Who cannot conceive of before and especially not after...

WayOfEagle:    B3000 we are in the world and though not of it we must still do our part no?

Addieessie:       but are we living this lifetime?  keep coming back to this illusion Jesus had in last temptation

Nubbinus:          what phase 3000?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, that was a very good depiction-- the Cross always stands right here, waiting for me, no matter what I dream in-between.

Addieessie:       i think so - yes

Azure Lake:      If one burns thru in agonies, there is reached the knowings that eternities stretch sideways from these moments in time.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Nubbinus, we live in many many many parallel and hierarchal worlds, and our phasing is how we are aspected to them at different points of assemblage, see?  :)

Nubbinus:          it is not easy living in different levels brother most here do not

HOST LFST RB3000:   ... That's what makes "time" pass at different rates, and what makes objects disappear and reappear.

Momolly34:       are we not conscious of the other worlds?

WASiONCE:    time passes at diff. rates?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Nubbinus, it is really much much much more difficult than any of us could imagine, yet infinitely simple  :)

WASiONCE:    <~~~ Asking for PROOF that time passes at diff. rates

Nubbinus:          no – simple for you, not for the others

Addieessie:       ahh- sounds like life :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   Momolly, somewhat, but we are never conscious that they *are* other worlds :)

RochelleDo:      <~~saw a phasing episode on Star Trek years ago

OWLSprit9:      Rochelle  was that the episode that had the 'traveler'?

Momolly34:       then how do u knwo there are?

Momolly34:       other worlds

HOST LFST RB3000:   WASiONCE, ever heard of relativity?  :)

WayOfEagle:    RB3000 ..it is easy to say that were are this or that but until we do our part we cannot know God

JLook91968:      3K.... seems that if you understood what you're talking about.. maybe an example... or a story would help

RochelleDo:      way before, Owls

WayOfEagle:    nothing is given on a silver platter

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, Star Trek really nails it sometimes  :)

HOST LFST MikeB:     isn't it that time is perceived to pass at different rates?

RochelleDo:      original series

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, at your service .. stand by a moment ...

OWLSprit9:      oh!! ok,,,I remember now  :)>

RochelleDo:      those out of phase moved soooooo slow

Azure Lake:      God = the ultimate asseblage , the multiple-multi-dimensionality...

Momolly34:       incoming...

OWLSprit9:      yes

WolfoWyrd:      3000 lets discuss "Relativity"

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, so many stories of experiences dreamed at the moment of execution -- I believe that this is exactly where we are now, at the moment of execution, dreaming our lives.

WayOfEagle:    The only way to bypass everything is to fuill your life full of love for everyone and everything

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, nice way to put it. :)

Graciee:            There are 3 forms of time...past, present and future..  ie  past life, present life and future life

Addieessie:       that is really depressing rb...  but maybe true..

Momolly34:       are we different people in the other worlds?

Azure Lake:      When seeing that all is one, it seems absurd that scientists have determined that our universe is going ever outward. How very one-dimensional of them.

HOST LFST RB3000:   WayOfEagle, yes, love all, for all, at all, but not to *bypass* anything, right?

WolfoWyrd:      I wonder if my other selves are thinner .. by chance...<G>

Momolly34:       are we different people in other worlds?

Addieessie:       why not bypass anything rb? 

WayOfEagle:    RB3000.. .  I can only go by what I go by .. I fill my life of love and Spirit had given

WASiONCE:    except for "Star Trek" theories

Addieessie:       if we are reaching for higher ground

WayOfEagle:    me many wonderful gifts

Azure Lake:      Aren't I you?

Graciee:            Momolly, perhaps a different consciousness in other worlds.

HOST LFST RB3000:   WASiONCE, why not Star Trek?

Momolly34:       but same person right?

HOST LFST RB3000:   WASiONCE, ok, that's actually what the rest of the class is about, so I'll continue with it.

Azure Lake:      Tell us how we can facilitate our seeing the treasures all around us, 3K.

Momolly34:       like dreaming..  sometimes i feel i lead a double life

HOST LFST RB3000:   Momolly, way more than double :)

Graciee:            Momolly, same person as we are in all of our lives...

WayOfEagle:    God is the judge of all .. if you do your part and God sees it is right gifts will flow to you.

HOST LFST RB3000:   ******* WONDERFUL, dear friends.  Now please once again hold your chat while I roll out the next idea in a few paragraphs on what it takes to witness and operate in the Supernatural.  Please wait till I let you know we're ready again.

HOST LFST RB3000:   WHY DO I assert that the treasures are hidden all around us in plain sight?

HOST LFST RB3000:   How can they be both hidden and in "plain sight"?  Just look at what was "obvious" to "science" 100 years ago, 200 years ago ...  You get the idea, right?

Log Entry:         The New Age [Members - 20] 8/9/2001 08:30 PM

HOST LFST RB3000:   When Columbus landed in the Caribbean, the natives asked him how he and his men could have crossed over from the other side of the world, so

HOST LFST RB3000:   Columbus pointed to his ships anchored off-shore.  But the natives could not see the ships, because they had no cultural model for "canoes that are pushed by the wind and can hold a whole tribe of people at once".

HOST LFST RB3000:   My cats watch me opening their tins of food, but no matter how hard they study me, they can't ever quite make out how I did it, because they have no mental wiring for "hands" or their operations. So everything I do with my hands is a flat-out miracle to them!

HOST LFST RB3000:   AND SO IT IS for us, in our "simple little" dream-world(s) -- we are given simple "toys" to play with, but we fight and snarl over them, breaking them and injuring each other, without ever knowing what wonders we were on the verge of, if only we could have used them cooperatively, with gratitude and compassion.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Our "science" is always crowing about what "we" have accomplished with our technologies, as if for the first time in the history of the world.  My friends, I tell you that we have lost, forgotten and destroyed far more than we now have -- over and over again!

HOST LFST RB3000:   BUT THERE is plenty of evidence of what our forbears had received and achieved -- in the language and stories of every culture on the planet, in the scriptures of all religions, in monuments and relics that have survived, and in our very DNA and brain structure.

HOST LFST RB3000:   It's just that the best of what they had do not fit our cat-egories of cat-toys, so everything comes down to us as parables, metaphors, fragments and mumbo-jumbo.  But plenty of "clean code" has been left for us as well -- in martial arts practices, in the Tarot, in I-Ching and in the various astrologies and numerologies, and in dreams.

HOST LFST RB3000:   I call it "clean code" because it is Knowledge and powers that are discernable to some "mechanism" in us that is not our "intellect" (but which makes use of the intellect, the emotions and the body-centers as its instruments).

HOST LFST RB3000:   And there are "lab manuals" for activating and operating these mechanisms -- let's call them Esoteric Doctrine for lack of a better word.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Esoteric Doctrine is not words, and it's not in any book, not even scripture, per se.

HOST LFST RB3000:   But scriptures, and the rituals they depict, can lead to the transmission of Esoteric Doctrine, as if turning on some 5-dimensional holographic projector.

HOST LFST RB3000:   This transmission then turns on the unused DNA and the latent neurological structures in an orderly fashion, and these, in turn, make it possible for us to apprehend the gifts, treasures, powers and outright miracles of the Supernatural World, which is the Real World that includes our little dream-world, just as the world of an ordinary person includes the tiny worlds of our pets, but goes far beyond them.

HOST LFST RB3000:   PLEASE REMEMBER, though, that as has been repeated often, these orderly activations and transmissions occur properly only when the "apparatus" (our consciousness and neurology) has been cleaned, repaired and balanced; abuse by liars, hypocrites, the selfish, the greedy or the lazy, results in horrors and abominations, of which we have abundant examples, even within churches.

HOST LFST RB3000:   ****** OK Friends, the floor is now open for your comments and questions on what it takes to witness and operate in the Supernatural.  Go right ahead now please ..............

Momolly34:       so i could be happily married in another life?

Addieessie:       so we are re-creating?

Azure Lake:      A little like pulling the rug out from under us...

WayOfEagle:    The Age is no longer mumbo jumbo but what we ourselves can pick up on if we wish to know

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, we are creating from scratch every moment, just like in Forbidden Planet. :)

Worldfxer1:       RB3000, are you speaking of archetypes?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Momolly, just look at your dreams-- they are postcards from your other lives :)

Bayingwolf:       Yes, Mo....he is telling you to think for yourself....let not others think for you

Momolly34:       so in the other life.. i got the guy?

RochelleDo:      So maybe certain symbols awaken something in us?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Worldfxer, for sure-- we are coming to the archetypes very quickly :)

RochelleDo:      geometrics?

Graciee:            Rochelle, I think so...Certain images do awaken us

HOST LFST RB3000:   (I apologize for the abstraction and turgidity, but as I mentioned, this is the ELEVENTH class in the series, and I've made the logs available online.)

Azure Lake:      It takes dying to the self that your parents & society planned for you; then building up a new, real Self that eventually is capable of true understanding.

RochelleDo:      I was led to believe that, Graciee

WolfoWyrd:         Symbols...do unlock certain things within our subconscious..

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, what was planned?  Intentionally?

HOST LFST RB3000:   WolfoWyrd, yes, if we remember how to open them back up, right?

Azure Lake:      No, it was not "planned" -- it was just what occurred, you're right...

WolfoWyrd:      Right...I suppose ..sometimes people get caught up on the symbols themselves though..

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, but it is as if there is a societal sentiency that requires our sacrifice, like an ant colony, maybe?

Momolly34:       i do weird stuff in my dreams..  climb on desks..  fly without wings..  i guess i dont live on earth'

WolfoWyrd:      Rather than whatever it is that the image.object is representing..

HOST LFST RB3000:   WolfoWyrd, we are always completely lost in our symbols, I find, no?

Worldfxer1:       I have done so, Wolfo.

RochelleDo:      at the end of the day it is fine to be where we are at....questing is moving along at the pace it is meant to i guess.

Azure Lake:      It's hard to die to all the worldly stuff -- that's why you're repaired & balanced...

HOST LFST RB3000:   Momolly, or maybe there is no "earth" as we think it is ...?

WolfoWyrd:      Not always...but its a hard stage to move past..

Momolly34:       oh come on...  dont tell me EVERYTHING in my life is an illusion

Azure Lake:      Esoteric items can only come into their true flowering when pondered by a clear being.

Mordred8:         Momolly: It's an illusion...but one you've chosen for your particular reasons.

Azure Lake:      Otherwise these miraculous things just become twisted.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, good way to put it. :)

Azure Lake:      But miracles can really turn up the volume in the "hands" of a real person/Being.

Graciee:            Momolly, only in your reality:)

RochelleDo:      so cannot ponder muddled, must be clear?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Momolly, is there any other where or when to be?  In the Moment of Eternity?

Momolly34:       the truth..

Addieessie:       i am so glad i am not really here :)

Mordred8:         Momolly: It is the nature of truth to be relative to individuals.

Azure Lake:      I am picturing such power in the activation of miraculous events by true ones.

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, sometimes must be "muddled" to understand certain aspects, right?

Addieessie:       when i see this as illusion, it makes even the worst seem ok :)  i know i will move on

Deep Metaphysics:        what shape does consciousness take when there is no physicality?

Addieessie:       learning?  i think i become more aware but will not take much with me from here other than awareness, i think

Azure Lake:      Otherwise, miracles just fizzle out, and this is why there is so much disbelief on Earth.

Mordred8:         Momolly: try a mirror.  That's where you'll find the truth.  No kidding.

Antiguachic:      maybe consciousness has no shape at all

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, or maybe we only regarded anything as "worst" by habit, and now find the beauty in it...?

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HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, yes, lots of miracles have been stepped right over, every day, right?

Worldfxer1:       Ah, RB3000, that is a grand thought...thank you...

Worldfxer1:       about finding the beauty in the worst.

Deep Metaphysics:        yes, but physicality has a fluidity that allows for conscious movement …

HOST LFST RB3000:   ******* WONDERFUL comments, dear friends.  Now please once again hold your chat while I roll out the next idea about how the Supernatural can be described as weavings and clusterings of sentient emanations of Consciousness.  


HOST LFST RB3000:   THIS NEXT PASSAGE is a bit difficult, so please take all the time you need to read and integrate it, and then we'll dive deep.  :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   AS WE'VE DISCUSSED before, cleaning and integrating our sentient impressions, or *feelings*, allows us to *see*.  This Seeing is not done with the eyes, or rather, not using the normal functioning of the visual apparatus.

HOST LFST RB3000:   I say this because the *movements* of the eyes lead us into states of consciousness and their concomitant realities.  Another way of saying the same thing is: "The intensities of the bendings of the ocular neurology, warps the attention into new positions."

HOST LFST RB3000:   As if that weren't bad enough, let's do one more transform: "The 'itching' of the threads with which we are accustomed to gathering visual-type impressions, entices 'nearby' threads to follow into clusterings with them - if we have sufficient *discipline*, we can limit these followings to those which are 'loyal' to the initiating clustering."

HOST LFST RB3000:   Please excuse the turgid language, but using this type of vocabulary will allow us to elaborate a very core mystical paradigm of transformations, one which enables holy seers and adepts to operate the course of reality, and also their own attributes.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Here is an example of what the previous vocabulary says: "If one has sufficient life-force, then improper sequences are eliminated from the DNA, and healthy growth and maintenance proceed."

HOST LFST RB3000:   Or more interestingly: "When an adept with sufficient discipline orders his/her sequences intentionally, the DNA, physical structures, and elaborations of health and aging follow it accordingly."

HOST LFST RB3000:   Do you see the implications?  This is the beauty of the language we are examining-- it allows one (an adept) to select a reality at will, and to select how s/he will manifest within it.

HOST LFST RB3000:   .

HOST LFST RB3000:   THE REASON that manifestations can be selected, as if "by the twinkling of the eye", is that the 'threads' which are gathered for each manifestation, as if 'external', are in fact the identical threads which assemble the iniitiator oneself -- they are all gradients of Sentiency, which means that, just as in quantum mechanics, the observer and the observed are exactly the same thing.

HOST LFST RB3000:   If you think about that intuitively, it does kind of make sense, because otherwise how would one observe anything?  What may not be quite as intuitive is the 'fact' that the nexus or 'dance' of these gradients, or *emanations*, is what causes us to even exist within a given nexus.

HOST LFST RB3000:   .

HOST LFST RB3000:   So here "you" are, as if "sitting at your computer talking", and here "I-am", as if "telling you something" that as if "you hadn't thought of before", but my claim is that the only reason that 'you' or 'I' even seem to exist *now* for each other is that a certain "dance" *wished* to occur, and that

HOST LFST RB3000:   Wish instantly creates the 'dancers' and the dance, just so.  :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   ****** OK Friends, the floor is now open for your comments and questions on what the threads of reality are, and how to witness them.  Go right ahead now please ..............

Antiguachic:      makes sense to me

RochelleDo:      cool :)

RealmLady:      So then....we choose what we experience?

Azure Lake:      Luminous threads...

Mordred8:         We choose what we experience because we need to learn something from those experiences.

RealmLady:      I've always believed everything happens for a reason......

Azure Lake:      Even as I stretch out my arms to pull myself up, my cat stretches out her

JLook91968:      Lady... we choose how we want to react

Mordred8:         Realm: You understand the reason?

RealmLady:      I do understand that JL....

Azure Lake:      luminous threads to jump several times higher than herself and land on a surface.

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, we are making a choice, but the "reasons" are deeply hidden, so it is "conscious" only at a certain level, but what we see of it as a result is not what the impulse was, do you see?

RealmLady:      yes....

JLook91968:      Lady... it's about cognitive/behavioral training

HOST LFST RB3000:   Mordred, but who is the other "I" that makes such choices?  Who am "I-this-one-here-trying-to-figure-it-out"?

RealmLady:      One can look back after something happens....and sometimes realize why it happened....

JLook91968:      Lady... but we didn't get a voice in the reasons sometimes

Worldfxer1:       The life force itself, RB3000?

RealmLady:      it being either a "bad" or "good" thing is all in our perspective

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, we are beings at a much higher dimensionality than this ant-farm we call home, just as our cats and dogs can't understand what we dooutside the house, see?

Addieessie:       so "our" impulse is not directly related to our experience choice...

Addieessie:       consciously

HOST LFST RB3000:   Worldfxer, the Life-Force-Itself has no particular form nor interests, I find.

Worldfxer1:       Then who is the other I?

RealmLady:      JL.....I believe our choices cause the things that happen to us....for the most part

Professor Oddjob:          does one need to choose clues

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, I guess, if we call *this* "conscious"  :)

RochelleDo:      Conscious mind touches very little of the vastness out there to comprehend.

Addieessie:       ok - got it :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   Worldfxer, good questions.

JLook91968:      Lady... I disagree... we don't live in a vacuum

JLook91968:      we are all kin, like it or not

Azure Lake:      So we can be sloppy and let any old other threads align with us.

Azure Lake:      Or we can glean only those threads that we wish to be with us.

Professor Oddjob:          do you need to choose them?

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, au contraire-- Consciousness embraces ALL experience, not our little puppet show.

RochelleDo:      thought that was sub conscious, 3k

Professor Oddjob:          one would have to have a given context to know what to choose

Azure Lake:      It's interesting to call THE WORLD a "puppet show" * a "dream world."

HOST LFST RB3000:   Worldfxer, the "other I" is the Whole of Oneself, dreaming what we are doing here.

Addieessie:       ahhh - the actor/stage thing... 

RochelleDo:      thought conscious was limited

Professor Oddjob:          or what you are suppose to choose and for what

Professor Oddjob:          why?

RealmLady:      we make choices all the time.....every moment of the day

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, right-- we got that all backwards :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, Consciousness is exactly what is UNlimited, I find.

Azure Lake:      Do you realize that scientists still don't know that dreams are from the superconscious?

Professor Oddjob:          if one has a purpose does one need to choose

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, what are you calling the Superconsciousness?

Azure Lake:      Dreams is how we give ourselves messages from the superconscious state,

RealmLady:      in the CWG books God quotes shakespeare...."All the world's a stage....."

Addieessie:       purpose?  have yet to figure that one out...

Antiguachic:      or vice versa Azure

Azure Lake:      Well, it's where we really should be, except we've accepted these chains...

RealmLady:      Life is a process.....

HOST LFST RB3000:   Professor Oddjob, if you mean true Aim, that is our life-path, our destiny.  Not our little goals in the ant-farm, right?

Professor Oddjob:          you will when you see all the rules as clues - why aim your destiny ?

Worldfxer1:       So does the I who is the one dreaming determine this destiny, RB3000?

Addieessie:       all the rules as clues... hmmm....

Professor Oddjob:          isn't that a little redundant

Antiguachic:      Azure do you see with your third eye

Azure Lake:      Are chains the result of our sloppily accepting any old thread?

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HOST LFST RB3000:   Professor Oddjob, that's why the Laws of existence are exactly our holographic intent.

RealmLady:      Has anyone ever had something happen and knew they had previously dreamed it?

JLook91968:      Lady.. yes

Addieessie:       many times realm

TIMBUKTUTWO:       What are the laws of existence?

Professor Oddjob:          are we here to serve the law

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, you have, and so has everyone I've ever talked to, right?

RealmLady:      who says there are laws?

Azure Lake:      I think all of what we are is how we can see. I think the 3rd eye is also somewhat limiting.

GoldenDove7:   yes many times

RealmLady:      Right RB3K

HOST LFST RB3000:   TIMBUKTUTWO, the Laws are not words engraved in stone, but the immediate and total embracing of the 15-dimensional hologram of Conscious Intent.

Antiguachic:      i am not taking in lofty metaphyscial terms I mean can you see not using your eyes

RealmLady:      I'm not saying that all dreams are precognitive....but I believe some are...

TIMBUKTUTWO:       What is that?

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, Laws are what forms our reality from moment to moment, from the dance of subatomic particles, to the programs of the DNA, to

HOST LFST RB3000:   traffic lights...

Azure Lake:      Prophecy also comes to us from our multidimensional self.

RochelleDo:      Okay so there is a such thing as not being Ready

RochelleDo:      for something like your cats cannot open a can of

RochelleDo:      food.....the readiness comes eventually.

RochelleDo:      or maybe not

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, it sure does not come to all -- most die without ever imagining that they can walk upright, or fly...

RochelleDo:      Being here signifies I wish to be

RochelleDo:      but.......

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, bingo!

RochelleDo:      how do I learn to operate the can opener?

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, that's what this whole class series is exactly about!  :)

RealmLady:      believe that you can Rochelle.....

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, believe, insist, demand, fight for it!!!!

RealmLady:      Right on RB3K

Professor Oddjob:          what are laws for?

Professor Oddjob:          does anyone really know?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Professor Oddjob, nope, but warriors and prophets insist on the Miraculous, and find it.

Antiguachic:      Professor u do

Professor Oddjob:          and are laws the only form of truth there is

Antiguachic:      nope

HOST LFST RB3000:   Professor Oddjob, it is a definition:  "Law = the Truth of what-is"

Professor Oddjob:          they neither find nor insist

HOST LFST RB3000:   Assisi, right in the middle!  :)

Azure Lake:      Will we get into clusters?

Professor Oddjob:          they neither look nor demand

Professor Oddjob:          they create and share

RealmLady:      everyones own personal truth is right for them....no matter what it is...


HOST LFST RB3000:   ******* GOOD POINTS, my dear friends.  Now please once again hold your chat while I roll out the next idea about the protections, disciplines and responsibilities necessary for proper operation of the Emanations of Sentiency.  So please hold on for just a minute or so. ...

HOST LFST RB3000:   WE CAN SAY that the so-called "physical world of ordinary events" is entirely composed of the sentient clusterings that we've been talking about.  Then why does it seem so real, so consistent, so continuous, so persistent?

     There are three answers to this. First of all, remember that each clustering is composed of the same threads that "we" are.  Because of this, our attention is strongly fixated by each 'event' or relationship, by the principle of separated identity.

     This is why 'love' hurts so much, why some people suicide over poor grades or other disappointment, and why we become addicted to everything.  Even someone who is considered a model of normal behavior is fixated in 'normal' attention, believing in rational and mechanistic explanations for everything, instead of witnessing what really happens.


HOST LFST RB3000:   THAT LEADS US to the second answer: The 'world' proves not to be the least bit continuous, rational nor even logical, except for the 'logic' that we impose on our fantasy worlds.

     Each morning we 'wake up' from our 'dreams', and we make a transition into the world that we expect.  What this really means is that we stop moving through the 'what-is' and actually mock up a movie set.  "And then we believe in it."

     That's just another way of saying that, once the dream-night's energy has dissipated, our attention falls to the 'home' position of illusion, which is where we find evidence for 'common sense', 'reasonableness', 'cause-and-effect', 'before-and-after', 'life-and-death', 'good-and-evil', and so on.


HOST LFST RB3000:   BUT ALL THAT evidence is contrived -- we dream up whatever evidence we require in order to sustain our fixation, no matter what.  And the second we cannot mock up some reasonable order to an event, most normal people pass out.

     In some cases, they suicide; in others, they set themselves up as a 'prophet' who has 'witnessed a miracle'.  But really they are unconscious relative to the Reality of Emanations, just as much as your dog or cat can't really tell how you opened their food tin.


HOST LFST RB3000:   ALL RIGHT, say that you have now dispelled all those illusions, fixations and beliefs.  Now you have to deal with the 'monstrosities of the astral'.  I'm afraid I pulled a dirty trick on you by getting you to release your normal fixations, because now the entities of the ethereal worlds can work on your attention directly, ten or a hundred times stronger than the addictions of the mechanical world.

     This is where all the Gorgons, cyclopses, ogres, Medusas, poltergeists, homunculoids and trolls come from -- the clusterings instantly identify your ego's Achilles heel, your most irrational beliefs about yourself, your chief manias.  They use this to trap your attention in their particular demonic maelstroms, and your own self-loathing creates the monsters.

     But once you create them, the monsters are 'real', which just means that you are accountable for them, and unless you have the assistance of a Master or really powerful spirit allies, you're done for. 

     At least, that's what all the myths and scriptures say.  But eventually, each fixation dissipates, so if you have any core in you, you might be able to wiggle free some time. (It's a question of which dissipates first -- the fixation or 'me'!)


HOST LFST RB3000:   NOW LET'S SAY that you have wiggled free of some fixation.  How do we keep our attention from falling right back into the next temptation?  One time-honored method is to channel fixation into religious conviction, prepared to battle lions, march off of cliffs, or be burned at the stake or crucified.

     Grotesqueries like those are still practiced to this day, and obtain relative success, in some cases.  But better are the disciplines of Silence, Mindfulness, Emptiness, Humility and Renunciation, because they bypass the fixations of violence and identification.

     However, my best recommendation is to heal and make whole your being, illuminated by the Light of Consciousness.  It takes huge amounts of spiritual power to do this, so generally the other disciplines must be learned first.

     And then we have to assemble the 'good fortune' to find a Master or a Path that will keep us lined up and clear while we undergo our overhaul -- this is the cleansing which removes all the by-products and fragments resulting from the hooks of our habitual fixations.

     The resulting Assemblage of Attention can be called 'the fluid Miraculous' or simply 'Eternity'.


HOST LFST RB3000:   ****** OK Friends, the floor is now open for your comments and questions on Sealing the Clusters.  Go right ahead now please ..............

     (the next 6 comments were made during the last lecture)

Professor Oddjob:          and help others find the guts to do the same

RealmLady:      because life is a circle.....not a straight line....everything is connected

Professor Oddjob:          whatever it takes

VikingGraybeard:          Because it's the only "REALITY" that we know

Professor Oddjob:          there is meaning in the known but not an answer in the form of a rule

Professor Oddjob:          but that of a clue - a very, very meaningful one

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Antiguachic:      concur

Addieessie:       ok - back to the astral...

Worldfxer1:       Wow!

RealmLady:      that's alot of info...

Professor Oddjob:          well to respond to your first statement........

Addieessie:       where did the monsters come from?  why not love and goodness?

JLook91968:      3K.... do tell us what anyone would actually do with your philosophy ?

Professor Oddjob:          does one need to fixate on clues?

Antiguachic:      from the deep, deep part of self for some a dream for others a nightmare

RochelleDo:      <~~happy with path.  Heard Master only appears when student is ready.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, remember about Forbidden Planet and The Mummy?  Or Sphere, Event Horizon?  We *try* to act from humanity, but we are filled with self-pity, revenge, bitterness, etc.

VikingGraybeard:          Basically, it seems to me the old question "Which is reality and which is a dream

HOST LFST RB3000:   VikingGraybeard, I find it's safe to consider it ALL dreams. :)

JLook91968:      Magnum P I said it simply...give the monster a name... then it's not so scary

Addieessie:       ok...  have never considered it this way before...

Antiguachic:      3000 i have encountered what u spoke of and focused on religious ideology to escape

RealmLady:      not everyone is filled with those things......

Azure Lake:      What you described about losing all illusion & fixation -- being attacked by your own demons

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, maybe, but look how the "christians" keep re-invoking "the devil", eh?

Professor Oddjob:          what shall we name it

Azure Lake:      is both what usually happens to seriously mentally ill people, and to most people when they die.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Antiguachic, but that has its own traps, doesn't it?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, you bet!  :)

RealmLady:      they believe what they have been "taught" RB3k

JLook91968:      3K... this philosophy doesn't take the time to make anyone "bad"

VikingGraybeard:          We make our "REALITY" by dreaming it and then it comes into our consciousness

JLook91968:      just a tool to help

RochelleDo:      the devil being a scapegoat for all they cannot accept within themselves

Antiguachic:      yes/no as you said it's one step along the way towards awareness

HOST LFST RB3000:   VikingGraybeard, I thought those to were the same identical event...?

VikingGraybeard:          And our consciousness makes it "REALITY"

Professor Oddjob:          so sometimes we don't like it here

Azure Lake:      That's why when most people die, they fly apart & only shards reincarnate.

HOST LFST RB3000:   VikingGraybeard, ipso facto :)

Professor Oddjob:          maybe that in itself has meaning

Antiguachic:      from the ashes rises the Phoenix

Azure Lake:      That's why it's a rarity for an entire being to reincarnate -- the Golden Child is for real!

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, except that we have eliminated the concept of "afterlife" here, by eliminating "after" :)

Azure Lake:      This is Buddhist theory of reincarnation, somewhat shocking for most.

RochelleDo:      Even when we know the anwers we still need to

RochelleDo:      and unless we are ready for the anwers, we will not absorb them.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, are you the Golden Child?

Corinthians...we have

RealmLady:      btw RB3K...If one bases what love is supposed to be from the Bible in RealmLady:          it wrong as humans

HOST LFST RB3000:     RochelleDo, but that's a circular statement.  When we absorb, it means we were ready, eh?

Azure Lake:      Not as originally born!

RealmLady:      I do believe what it says in Corinthians is true.....but humans don't love like that....

Azure Lake:      I died and renewed...

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, how should it be?

RochelleDo:      If we absorb we are.

RochelleDo:      Otherwise washes over us.

RealmLady:      it's in Corinthians....Love is patient, love is kind, love is not jealous nor boastful..etc.

Azure Lake:      in this illusion of life that we have all agreed upon..

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, if I are, I was :)

Professor Oddjob:          yes lady they try to fill the emptiness with things

VikingGraybeard:          Rochelle, we can't come up with the answer until we come up with the question first

Professor Oddjob:          experiences

ProudTurtle:      should ain't a word

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, oh well, so much for love, eh?  :)

Professor Oddjob:          all kinds of things

Graciee:            RealmLady, I believe that is why we reincarnate to learn the lesson of love.

Professor Oddjob:          but what if that emptiness were for something else

RochelleDo:      is not love the answer? to any question?

JLook91968:      3K.... so is there a chance you've written all this down in a book one might read?

Graciee:            Love is the answer Rochelle:)

RealmLady:      I don't believe we are here to learn a lesson......in my truth....

Professor Oddjob:          is not a hose empty

Azure Lake:      RB3K, what is a cluster?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake:  Cluster =  each moment of intent, which is Law -- each one dances with each other, forming nexuses and nodes. Each node is sentient and real, as far as it goes...

ProudTurtle:      acceptance  is an answer

Simmarah:         ODD  Empty of What?

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, this IS the book one might read!  :)

JLook91968:      and who wrote it?

RealmLady:      yes it is Rochelle...but humans don't love like it says in corinthians....

HOST LFST RB3000:   ... and also there is a fat book that must be danced and sung-- so far,

HOST LFST RB3000:   about 30 hours worth.

Graciee:            Galaxon, the Question is:  Why are we here on earth?

Azure Lake:      Well, then, cluster is how linearness appears in 3D...

RealmLady:      we are here to Experience.....

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, if you like, I'll send you the study guide, which has book lists and resource materials.

Galaxon:           WE are on Earth to realize we create our reality by

Galaxon:           experiencing it, then from those experiences realize we are God

Professor Oddjob:          we are here to love

ProudTurtle:      we are here to bake in the hot sun  and freeze in the winter snow

RealmLady:      Right on Gala......

JLook91968:      you couldn't simply give me the name of the author?

Professor Oddjob:          and do you really know what that means

Addieessie:       i agree realm :)  and become aware...

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, lots of authors, including *you*, but I am the editor.

Professor Oddjob:          think of what you never got in life to help you be creative as you really wanted

Azure Lake:      RB is compiler

JLook91968:      ahhhhhhhhh... a series of articles?

Professor Oddjob:          this is what you are to share

VikingGraybeard:          Galax, do you mean that all of us together  equals God?

Professor Oddjob:          the thing you never got

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, nope-- a series of mystical steps that take decades to complete.

JLook91968:      3K.... in laymen's terms for us with simple needs

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, in that case, get A Conversation with God or Celestine Prophecy.

VikingGraybeard:          Interesting concept

Galaxon:           viking even more....everything in existence, seen and unseen together equals God

Professor Oddjob:          is love filling in others emptiness

Azure Lake:      3K -- it's limiting to say it takes decades.

RealmLady:      God is All That Is....and All That Is Not......

Azure Lake:      It may just take a few moments for some.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, ok, it takes *LIFETIMES*!!!!

Professor Oddjob:          is that your responsibility

Professor Oddjob:          is that what love really is

RealmLady:      no professor it isn't.....

Professor Oddjob:          would you want others to really do that for you

Addieessie:       rb...  is all this your thought? or what you have learned along your way?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, both, and also what I've channeled for the past 15 years.

Azure Lake:      All right, "lifetimes" is vague enough!

JLook91968:      3K... you're the editor on those books?

HOST LFST RB3000:   JLook, I am saying that I am the editor of their collected ideas.

Azure Lake:      But it makes it sound too hard, because we all really know these concepts!

RealmLady:      those are great books RB3K....

Azure Lake:      And all we really need to do is osmose them in.

Azure Lake:      3K is the compiler, I tell you.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, it really is Simple underneath, but we always oversimplify and trivialize, I find.

Addieessie:       you think rb?  i think we tend to complicate actually..

RealmLady:      JL.....those books open your mind and soul...they are a great step to take on ones path.....

Azure Lake:      Well, I know but this is how the orientals got it so that it takes eons to self-realize.

Azure Lake:      When all it really takes is a whole lot of really good hard work in one lifetime.


HOST LFST RB3000:   ******* GOOD COMMENTS, my dear friends.  Now please once again hold

HOST LFST RB3000:   your chat while I roll out the final idea about the Universal Archetypes and Deities.  So please hold on for just a minute or so.  ...


HOST LFST RB3000:   WHEN WE HAVE successfully and completely sealed against an archetypal fixation, with sufficient power of Will, that very action 'causes' the existence of a *Deity* -- a Being assembled permanently that can hold the Seal in place. 

     The other main reason for an archetypal Seal is to maintain pristine templates for the alchemic transformations we must undergo in order to assemble our Full Consciousness in eternity.

     In our society, the 'Blessed Virgin' and 'Christ-the-Savior-and-Redeemer', or 'the-Sacred-Law-of-Moses' and 'the-Ark-of-the-Covenant' are good examples of Seals.  In other cultures, similar roles are performed by pyramids, terrifying deities, talismans and fetishes.

     (In fairness, our own culture is chock-full of fetishes, most of whose purposes and powers we have quite forgotten or dismissed.  Your examples?)


HOST LFST RB3000:   THE FUNNY THING about the Archetypal Seals is that, in effect, they exist simply because we require them to exist -- to mark out the delineations of the World of Living Power so that we/I can exist in some self-consistent manner, which really means: *At All*.

     Because of this, They are identical with our own Consciousness -- that is, they are clustered of the same threads, which anchor the 'beginning' and the 'end' of the universe simultaneously, in a single point and one single Moment of Eternity which cannot even properly exist in space-time.

     So the Consciousness that is each of us is every combination of 'us-and-our-events-and-relationships-and-destinies', and it is at the same time NONE of these.  What it IS, is the subject of our final class, two weeks from now.


***** WELL, DEAR FRIENDS, this was all I wished to point out to you tonight. The floor is now open for all of us to share and digest these ideas from esoteric mysticism, so go ahead now, any time you are ready ...


Azure Lake:      Ha Ha Ha, 3K ... Wonderful, fantastic!

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, which part?

Professor Oddjob:          do you know what the ark of the covenant was really for?

Professor Oddjob:          it was a transducer

Professor Oddjob:          used in the great pyramid

Professor Oddjob:          to power the city

Professor Oddjob:          from the earth's emp

RochelleDo:      I might just contrive it.

RochelleDo:      will hopefully hook up in Glastonbury.

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, I'll keep a light on for you :)

Azure Lake:      :)

Galaxon:           i thought a trance inducer was used to build the pyramids...used to make the stones get into a trance and build the pyramid themselves

RochelleDo:      ty :)

RealmLady:      JL....I found those books to be very enlightening and they changed my path from christian

RealmLady:      to so much more

HOST LFST RB3000:   RealmLady, what would you call your path now?

RealmLady:      I don't know.....I don't follow any one particular thing....

Azure Lake:      You just clarified for all of us that we are God. All of this is God. Etc. Etc.

RealmLady:      I go get a book.....if it feels right I read it....if not .. I don't....

RealmLady:      I listen......if it feels right great....if not....*shrugs*

RochelleDo:      When things make such perfect sense, one would hope that it incorporates somehow into some part of consciousness to enable more of what growth is all about.

ProudTurtle:      even the bum on the street is God?

Azure Lake:      However, this one still in her struggle also has decided to seal her being so that these clusters can be more crystalline.

RealmLady:      and that is how I go along my path....

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, you already knew that, dear :)

Azure Lake:      Does that make sense?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, crystal :)

Galaxon:           God doesn’t do.....God IS

Galaxon:           God is the 'I AM" part of "I AM THAT I AM". we are the 'THAT I AM"

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, try clusters from a really deep but conscious trance...

RealmLady:      God is All That Is....and All That Is Not.....there is nothing God is not...

WizardsLt3:      Could also be that I Am means in the now, a state of Being

HOST LFST RB3000:   Films on tonight's subject: "Kundun", "The Seventh Sign" (Demi Moore), "The Fifth Element" (Bruce Willis), all three Indiana Jones movies, "The Golden Child" (Eddie Murphy), "The Mummy" (Boris Karloff), most episodes of "Stargate SG-1" and several episodes of "Kung Fu" (David Carradine).

HOST LFST MikeB:     love that stargate, too bad its the last season :(

HOST LFST RB3000:   WizardsLt, absolutely!  What else *could* it be?

Galaxon:           i applied all the knowledge the show KUNG FU gave me. i ended up falling on my rear end and it hurt

Addieessie:       rb - you did clusters at an earlier meeting?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, some preliminary discussion, but tonight is the big wad, so to speak :)

Azure Lake:      Kundun resounds within me, but I can't remember it.

WizardsLt3:      RB, that is all it could be, a focus into the now , the past being memory, the future a projection of intent

HOST LFST RB3000:   WizardsLt, do you really think that "memory" is about "the past" or "the future"???

Galaxon:           watch out how....3k is gonna copyright all these logs for his book, "I AM GOD AND YOU'RE NOT"

HOST LFST RB3000:   Galaxon, done  :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   Galaxon, except there is no "I-and-you", right?

Azure Lake:      Is memory not just = to comprehension?

WizardsLt3:      LFST, it is experiences, a log of them to create new experiences from

RochelleDo:      we are one?

ProudTurtle:      its all about right now...wake up ..before it vanishes

RochelleDo:      the moment

Professor Oddjob:          and comprehension is understanding

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, each person that you have *any* kind of relationship with, is the same Being with you, see?

Professor Oddjob:          and what is it that you want to understand

Professor Oddjob:          and why

HOST LFST RB3000:   Galaxon, then who is that next to you?  :)

Professor Oddjob:          based on what

RochelleDo:      yes the interrelation becomes more apparent

RochelleDo:      even/especially those who cause pain

Galaxon:           3k nobody is next to me...we are all one...unless we have the illusion of being two

Professor Oddjob:          and if it seems meaningless what does one change

Azure Lake:      Probably when we go to sleep, we all fly up into the one Golden Being...which is nice & warm

SandyzBack:     i'm myself

Professor Oddjob:          if anything

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, *I* am the only One who Causes my "pain", right?

Professor Oddjob:          the contact

RochelleDo:      do we contrive having to have someone be

RochelleDo:      negative?

RochelleDo:      yes!

WizardsLt3:      Pain is self imposed, cant be given or taken from, can only be allowed to be experienced

Professor Oddjob:          the context

RochelleDo:      yes yes

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, still wanting to incarnate as a kitten-in-a-basket?  :)

Professor Oddjob:          or the choices within said context

Azure Lake:      We rejoin the One. Then we have to wake up to this crappy world that we've agreed to be trapped in.

Professor Oddjob:          oh how about expanding the context

Elektrana:         I don't think this world is crappy

WizardsLt3:      There is no joining, it is only realizing we were never parted

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, nobody "is" "negative"-- that's just what we are entrained to make out of everything, in the position of self-pity.

Azure Lake:      Well, what about all this violence?

Elektrana:         I think the world is going along just as it's supposed to

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, all "violence" is in *me*.

Galaxon:           violence is a choice

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Professor Oddjob:          and why do you suppose that is RB?

WizardsLt3:      Pain is resistance

HOST LFST RB3000:   Professor Oddjob, what is?

SandyzBack:     3000, do you believe all that you say?

RochelleDo:      I am so fortunate.

ProudTurtle:      Elect  ..you think so

Elektrana:         I believe so

RochelleDo:      I believe he does, Sandy.

Professor Oddjob:          that lots of people seem entrained to interact with self pity

HOST LFST RB3000:   Elektrana, maybe, but I don't find some particular "world" 'going along', because they are all parallel and interleaved to me.

HOST LFST RB3000:   SandyzBack, yes, and I live it.

Azure Lake:      You may be right that violence is a result of our continuing to allow ourselves self-pity.

Elektrana:         Oh, well it's a matter of semantics here, RB

SandyzBack:     sounds like a karmic experience waiting to happen

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, actually, I am saying that I *impose* violence on my impressions, that's all.

WizardsLt3:      there is a difference between the outer being, and the inner being though, the oure one is illusion

RochelleDo:      I am still coming to grips that we create our own reality......the stuff in the news is not what I would choose.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Elektrana, what does "semantics" mean? I have it as examining what our language means-- and that's what I hope for us to do!  :)

JLook91968:      Rochelle... well.... maybe that whole idea is nonsense

RochelleDo:      when you believe as you walk down the street......even the weather tends to co operate.

Elektrana:         Turtle is only money, I don't have an issue with money and even that is illusion

JLook91968:      maybe you own sense is okay

RochelleDo:      nonsense?

Galaxon:           Language means, there is something else to do with our tongues besides lick

Azure Lake:      3K, if you had absolutely no self-pity, would others follow?

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, then please stop creating "the news"   :)

RochelleDo:      maybe

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, my whole reality would have to follow, and it does. :)

RochelleDo:      heck, I avoid new at all costs!!!

ProudTurtle:      the world dosent  go  the way its  suppose to go  Elect

RochelleDo:      okay

Professor Oddjob:          no azure they would create

WizardsLt3:      What we expect is what happens, we expect negativity, it happens

JLook91968:      who said things had to be the way 3K describes them if that doesn't make sense?

Professor Oddjob:          to their heart's content

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, traffic parts like the Red Sea  :)

Elektrana:         Meaning Rb, that I agree we are in multi dimensional existences but it is difficult to write all of this in such a limited space

HOST LFST RB3000:   WizardsLt, exactly!

RochelleDo:      yes, so do clouds in the night sky

Elektrana:         RochelleDo:      when you wish to view the stars

Azure Lake:      OK, so if we start expecting positive & miraculous things, and kept on expecting them, then all eventually will become totally positive?

HOST LFST RB3000:   Elektrana, tell me about it!  :)

WizardsLt3:      Our reality is contrived by our higher being, since we do not communicate directly with it, i

Elektrana:         So I write as briefly as possible which in this medium allows for misinterpretation

RochelleDo:      Expectation is not good.

RochelleDo:      there must be another word

WizardsLt3:      will manifest what we focus on the hardest

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, and insisting on them, and demanding them, and commanding them, and begging and praying and hoping and wishing and living living living for it!!!!!  :)

RochelleDo:      focus and manifestation maybe?

HOST LFST RB3000:   WizardsLt, why do we call our Self "it"?

WizardsLt3:      Rochelle, yes, creative visualization is based on this theory, and it works

Azure Lake:      RochelleDo -- you're right. It's not expecting, but knowing that all is positive.

Galaxon:           i thought we manifested what we believe we already have

Professor Oddjob:          host that is what it is when mixed with self pity

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, right:  K-N-O-W-I-N-G  !

RochelleDo:      good :)

WizardsLt3:      LFST, because most of us have not met our Higher being, we don’t know it is our true self

HOST LFST RB3000:   Galaxon, something like that :)

Azure Lake:      Right, Gal. We are creating our reality.

Galaxon:           3k something or exactly like that?

HOST LFST RB3000:   WizardsLt, oh, we've met him/her, all right -- from day one.  Just very profound tunnel vision, is all.

HOST LFST RB3000:   Galaxon, yup, sho nuff :)

WizardsLt3:      LFST, I was talking about why the Higher Self is referred to as it an awareness

Snnowtiger:       tunnel vision-how did you know?

New Age Wackos:        Nubbinus what are you afraid of?

Galaxon:           3k so the veracity of it is what we believe is out-pictured

SandyzBack:     you can call something "it" when you have a hard time defining "it"

HOST LFST RB3000:   SandyzBack, right-- so I am asking all of us to examine who we really are, and what we are.

Professor Oddjob:          it is only tunnel vision when one attempts to cram their higher self into the plane of awareness

Azure Lake:      We separate ourselves from our Selves via semantics -- "higher Self" etc.

Professor Oddjob:          won't somebody try it the other way around

JacobJG:           azure, but without semantics, there is no communication

WizardsLt3:      The great part is, there are no absolutes, each being is different on this level

SongofAncients:            Jacob...and somehow...the balance gets lost anyhow....

JacobJG:           we can't each choose to define words at our whim

SongofAncients:            either too much or too little with the verbage

HOST LFST RB3000:   Azure Lake, not really *semantics*, but by symbols, categories, labels, programs, habitual identification and fixation.

RochelleDo:      The dawn sky has a mega bright Jupiter and Venus sitting up there......how lovely is that for something to marvel over?

Professor Oddjob:          yes i am sacred

WizardsLt3:      This Malkuth, realm of gross matter is created with thought, we recreate it with each thought we have

RochelleDo:      Are the stars/planets in any way symbolic to things you are on about, 3K?

Azure Lake:      What about beings like Sai Baba? They are one with their higher Selves.

RochelleDo:HOST LFST RB3000:         WizardsLt, well spoken.  What I've been saying here is only a way of looking, not "facts" at all.

Azure Lake:      They've done it. Why can't we?

HOST LFST RB3000:   RochelleDo, yes, but I have to ask astrologers for possible meanings.

RochelleDo:      we are well beyond Malkuth now being here

JacobJG:           yes, every micro-moment, everything is arising and passing away

SongofAncients:            Azure.... anyone can do it when they simply "Do" it.

WizardsLt3:      LFST, yes, any way of opening to the limitless potential of creation is good, since all is thought any will work also

ProudTurtle:      yes  everything passes away

Azure Lake:      Thanks, Song. That was truly said.

RochelleDo:      Guess you have exhausted the ultimate doing what you have been.....it is great :)

Azure Lake:      Topics were cleaning the threads of our beings AND pondering the clusters of reality.

RochelleDo:      the clusters I need to reread about, Azure

Log Entry:         The New Age [Members - 21] 8/9/2001 10:00 PM


HOST LFST RB3000:   Topic #12 for August 23: The Final Awakening -- Fully realizing ourselves and each other as the Whole, Miraculous, Self-sourced, merged with God.  This will be our final class of the six-month series.

JacobJG:           3000, I sincerely hope you put a book out of this whole series

Professor Oddjob:          do you suppose the seven seals have anything to do with the 7 chakras

Professor Oddjob:          is there any correlation

HOST LFST RB3000:   JacobJG, it's really a series of four or five books-- 1,000 pages in the manuscript, so far :)

Professor Oddjob:          the issues of the seals and the chakras

Addieessie:       i would also like to read this in finished form :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   Addieessie, shucks-- thanks for the encouragement :)

JacobJG:           witchie, I should have written my book after my journey

VikingGraybeard:          Professor, that's an interesting parallel

JacobJG:           would have been a bestseller.... "The American Cyberneer"

WitchiePooDoo:            you still can, had time to digest it

HOST LFST RB3000:   JacobJG, go back into your journey, please-- and take notes.

JacobJG:           One mans trek through cyberspace.....

Galaxon:           add you know it all. you just don’t know you know it

JacobJG:           <smile> yes 3000....

HOST LFST RB3000:   Ok, thank you all, dear friends, for a very intense discussion, and I'll see you all in two weeks for our final class in this series.

Addieessie:       thank you rb :)

HOST LFST RB3000:   Good night, and sweet dreams.  <poof>

Galaxon:           amazing and a half. are we here yet?

VikingGraybeard:          I Don't know too much about it! But it will make an interesting study

Log Entry:             The New Age [Members - 19] 8/9/2001 10:04 PM