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RBCF Arwen:       Welcome! Tonight we discuss Ecstatic Awareness.

RBCF Arwen:       This means entering into states of consciousness,

RBCF 3000: Hi, I'm back-- really hard to get a connection tonight.

RBCF Arwen:       accompanied by transformation of being, in which

RBCF Arwen:       the supernatural and the Miraculous can be

RBCF Arwen:       witnessed, including the realms of Divinity. In this

RBCF Arwen:       context, the word "ecstatic," refers to the mystical

RBCF Arwen:       usage referring to *outside of* all normal states of

RBCF Arwen:       perception or awareness

REISHISAGE:       we gonna be transformed again oh joy

NightPath: 3K> Story of my life

RBCF 3000: By the word "ecstatic," I am not speaking of the common

RBCF 3000: vernacular for "very happy" but, rather, the mystical usage

RBCF 3000: referring to *outside of* all normal states of perception or

RBCF 3000: awareness, sometimes known at "second attention", "silent

RBCF 3000: knowledge", "self-remembering" or "seeing."

RBCF 3000: Ok, one moment, and then we're off & running...

REISHISAGE:       participation required i presuming

RBCF 3000: Ok, please hold comments/questions for a minute ..........

RBCF Arwen:       Yes, this class is semi protocol.

RBCF 3000: It would be hard not to notice the resurgence of mysticism in

RBCF 3000: many of the traditional religions: Kabbalah and the Chasidic

RBCF 3000: movement in Judaism; the popularization of Sufi practices,

RBCF 3000: which come from mystical Islam; Pentacostalism in

RBCF 3000: Christianity; the spread of Hinduism as ecstatic, living

RBCF 3000: practices; an intensification of Buddhist practices; and a

RBCF 3000: great interest in pagan and shamanic religions.

RBCF 3000: Genuine Zen and Tantra have always been avenues for

RBCF 3000: mystical experience; I make the stipulation because many

RBCF 3000: modern forms of these traditions have become watered down

RBCF 3000: and distorted to make them attractive to people with short

RBCF 3000: attention spans. 

RBCF 3000: To these old ways have been added "inventions" of the past

RBCF 3000: century-- spirit-channeling, the Avatar method, est/Forum

RBCF 3000: seminars, Silva Mind Control, schools of the Fourth Way,

RBCF 3000: Neuro-Linguistic Programming, and numerous techniques

RBCF 3000: based on self-hypnosis, as well as religions based on

RBCF 3000: affirmations and spiritual healing.

RBCF 3000: ******* Have any of you encountered these methods? What

RBCF 3000: do you think of them?

TESLA21058:       I've done some NLP with my small child 3000.  It helped a great deal

Alisnntrnt:       I thought NLP came from mysticism 3K

RBCF 3000: TESLA, did you learn specific techniques for kids, or did you

RBCF 3000: take a whole course?

Treeswayen:       NLP comes from the hypnotherapy of Milton Erickson

RBCF 3000: Alisnntrnt, it mostly came from psychology and

RBCF 3000: communications studies.

RBCF 3000: Treeswayen, at first it did, yes.

Alisnntrnt:       that is what it turned into, so i was told

TESLA21058:       the whole course , 3000..and then I modified it due to

TESLA21058:       his age.  I worked on him through me.  Same with Soul

TESLA21058:       recovery and universal symbols taught by DawnE. Clark

TESLA21058:       yes Trees

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REISHISAGE:       and now anthony robins is leading selling NLP personage

RBCF 3000: Welcome, those who just came into the room. Tonight is a

RBCF 3000: semi-protocol class on mystical awareness, so we discuss

RBCF 3000: between ideas. Right now open for comments & questions.

REISHISAGE:       3000 what is NLP to you?

REISHISAGE:       compaired to silva

RBCF 3000: Alisnntrnt, mostly it is used for sales and psychology these

RBCF 3000: days, as far as I know.

TESLA21058:       NeuroLinguisticProgramming

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, I took it for self-knowledge, then became

RBCF 3000: psychic with it-- learned to design states of consciousness

RBCF 3000: for myself, and for others too.

Alisnntrnt:       what about the rumors that it was used for brainwashing 3K?

TESLA21058:       exactly 3000

AutumnPath3:      I do something strange I have never heard of or experinced before.

James7289: It's just a form of conditioning...not really mystical at all.

REISHISAGE:       3000 i never took it must not be psychic :<

Treeswayen:       you can't really use it for brainwashing.. that requires a reduction in resistance.. diet

Treeswayen:       alterations

AutumnPath3:      Lately I can massage my partner in places I have discomfort and feel the massage as if it

Treeswayen:       protein depletion

AutumnPath3:      were being done to me

RBCF 3000: Alisnntrnt, NLP is a collection of techniques. Some of these

RBCF 3000: techniques are used by others out of integrity, but NLP itself

RBCF 3000: teaches respect and integrity.

Alisnntrnt:       yes

RBCF 3000: AutumnPath, that's really intimate when that happens, isn't

RBCF 3000: it?

AutumnPath3:      Well I never thought of it that way

RBCF 3000: Ok, I'm going to continue tonight's lesson now, so please hold

RBCF 3000: comments for a minute...................

RBCF 3000: Ok, continuing..........

RBCF Arwen:       them too

RBCF 3000: Side-stepping whatever all their beliefs may be, these

RBCF 3000: practices all share in common the purpose of achieving real,

RBCF 3000: personal, unmistakable experience of our hidden

RBCF 3000: possibilities, whether we frame these possibilities

RBCF 3000: psychologically, transformationally, spiritually or

RBCF 3000: metaphysically.  Most of these methods would probably

RBCF 3000: resist being labelled as "mystical."

RBCF 3000: Here is the next one.................

RBCF 3000: The channeling and devotional methods are usually, but not

RBCF 3000: always, along spiritual lines. To over-simplify, I'd say that the

RBCF 3000: self-programming methods rely on various forms of hypnosis

RBCF 3000: or self-hypnosis. The Fourth Way schools attempt to balance

RBCF 3000: the methods of the other approaches, usually by setting

RBCF 3000: tasks that require the use of more than the ordinary attention

RBCF 3000: so that the students will catch themselves "between frames."

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: By "frames" I am using a metaphor of being in a movie

RBCF 3000: theatre, in which we have forgotten that we came in to see a

RBCF 3000: movie, but now think that the movie on the screen is our

RBCF 3000: actual life.  Our real life is still waiting for us, outside the

RBCF 3000: theatre. Think of the frames of a movie film: they run past our

RBCF 3000: eyes at a certain speed, and we automatically give them a

RBCF 3000: continuity.

RBCF 3000: ******* Have you come across ideas like this before,

RBCF 3000: anyone?

Fleetwolf: Aristotle, Zen, X-tianity and Taoism all share similar ideas.

Freethinker40:    Yes of course .3000 its my inner super conscious

RBCF 3000: Fleetwolf, right -- it's just taken a while to put it together in

RBCF 3000: this form.

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, what does your super-consciouness do?

Freethinker40:    consciousness...is like a movie it does blink on and off real fast so to speak.

TESLA21058:       it's also the ability to control the illusion of timespace..if I read you right

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, what's in-between the frames for you?

James7289: but can we change the plot midstream?

REISHISAGE:       one thing it does for you Free is take u out of humble behavior and allowing led by ego

Freethinker40:    there is only the physical inbetween

REISHISAGE:       only dealing with intellect and logic

Freethinker40:    yes the EGO is gone at this time of thought

Fleetwolf: In between frmaes is consciouness reacting upon energy to create the next frame.

RBCF 3000: James, yes, that's the job-- change not only the plot, but the

RBCF 3000: whole format. We've been running 35mm BW slides, now we

RBCF 3000: want Panavision and Todd-AO.

Leviah42:   and this is something done at will?

RBCF 3000: TESLA, exactly right.  When we awaken, though, is that just

RBCF 3000: another dream?

Sircletree:       who's will

James7289: a dream within a dream

Freethinker40:    yes thoughts create the movie

TESLA21058:       isn't all of it?  How will we know?

James7289: the sleeper must awaken (obscure Dune line)

AutumnPath3:      sounds an awful lot like the book Illusions, by Richard Bach

Leviah42:   awareness is a knowing... no doubts

RBCF 3000: Leviah, yes, "at-will", but not by snapping our fingers, if

Sircletree:       when we're done

RBCF 3000: we've done nothing of discipline, right?

Fleetwolf: Done at will if you can control things, but your will does things you don't know you control

TESLA21058:       if we can change our thinking and living through it, we

TESLA21058:       have created the perception of a better reality

REISHISAGE:       Free if i say to you , 'You are not free as u are prisoner of your thoughts" does that not

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REISHISAGE:       place u in a box

REISHISAGE:       controlling u

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, sure-- but if we say it to *ourselves* and act

RBCF 3000: on it, that's a horse of another color! 

REISHISAGE:       :>

Freethinker40:    Dreams are more reality than waking life to be more accurate

RBCF 3000: Fleetwolf, I don't count what we've been taught as real Will--

RBCF 3000: we just never know enough, about the situation or our

RBCF 3000: selves, right?

Fleetwolf: Never know everything.....

REISHISAGE:       Thought, logic, intellect, potential, is nothing absolutely nothing without its fuse =action

Mythagorass:      afraid i can't.  have too many im's now as it is.

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, do you consider "waking life" to be just a dream,

RBCF 3000: or a series of dreams?

Fleetwolf: Thought is action, only on a level not usually obvious.

REISHISAGE:       lights one fuse

Bitsty:     Illusions by Bach was very good Autumn

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, Arwen wanted to give you the room summary

RBCF 3000: in IM.

Freethinker40:    A series of dreams.3000

TESLA21058:       yes Bitsty :))

Mythagorass:      3000, thank you for yours.  that is enough.

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, under special conditions?  What are the risks?

REISHISAGE:       Now nik Tesla was a master of not only energy but ways of its applications....he was gagged

Leviah42:   It us usually through an action that an awareness or reality comes to us

REISHISAGE:       because of his insights

REISHISAGE:       inventions

TESLA21058:       yes Reishi

Fleetwolf: He was gagged by those who profited from his inventions he intended to be free to all.

Mythagorass:      does astral projection awareness fit into this topic?

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, it's pretty common on this plane for fear to

RBCF 3000: squelch new ideas and awakening of consciousness, isn't it?

Leviah42:   that's not uncommon Fleet

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, sure, in the right place.  We're following an

RBCF 3000: outline, and we'll be getting to particulars of states and

RBCF 3000: trances, and such.

RBCF 3000: Ok, let's go on with tonight's subject a bit further, yes?  ........

TESLA21058:       yes

Bitsty:     y

Freethinker40:       Consciousness is what we are ,is it not......?

RBCF 3000: (Please hold comments a minute

Mythagorass:      ah, the discussion of dream and awareness of passing from one state to another seemed to fit

Freethinker40:    ok

Mythagorass:      k

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, good question, so I'll take it briefly ...

RBCF 3000: Let's just say for now that the Totality of Consciousness the

RBCF 3000: Hologram in 13 dimensions, is What we Are.  But we have no

RBCF 3000: idea about any of this yet-- that's why we are going for

RBCF 3000: ecstatic awareness.

REISHISAGE:       3000 to this date , your Chopra, Robbins , many others of the world even Houdini were babies

REISHISAGE:       to Tesla knowing

RBCF 3000: ... because we have to witness the miraculous vision of what

REISHISAGE:       They all stole some of his work

RBCF 3000: this looks like-- words are too flat to describe what is

RBCF 3000: happening.

Freethinker40:    true

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, I don't know if Tesla exactly fits this particular

RBCF 3000: conversation, but I agree with you.

RBCF 3000: Ok, now please let's continue with the class..................

RBCF 3000: This frame-editing mechanism can be manipulated for

RBCF 3000: embedding subliminal messages, and people who have done

RBCF 3000: deep psychological or spiritual healings find that the healing

RBCF 3000: consists largely in rooting out all of these self-destructive

RBCF 3000: messages that we have installed between the frames of the

RBCF 3000: film. Furthermore, each different culture teaches their young

RBCF 3000: to string the frames together in a different way, so that each

RBCF 3000: child subscribes to the "reality" of that culture.

MagicMama111:     Shamanism is one way of experiencing ecstasy

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: So we can conceivably string together a complete alternate

RBCF 3000: reality, gradually, outside of the conventions, habits and

RBCF 3000: categories in which we have become trapped. Without proper

RBCF 3000: training, these new perceptions would constitute

RBCF 3000: hallucination or psychosis-- the ordinary ego becomes

RBCF 3000: destabilized.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: In the proper circumstances for real transformation, the ego

RBCF 3000: does still become destabilized, but a new platform is

RBCF 3000: provided by the lineage or the master, one which has a far

RBCF 3000: greater perspective and enormously more resources than the

RBCF 3000: ordinary ego. From this platform, it is possible not only to

RBCF 3000: perceive the Miraculous, but to perform miracles as well.

RBCF 3000: ***** Ok, does that idea make this work too risky?  What if

RBCF 3000: we go mad or get lost somehow?  How can we trust the

RBCF 3000: lineage or the master, etc?

Freethinker40:    Ecstatic Consciousness is our core true self .....of many probable seleves....?

Mythagorass:      the ego has to be willing to step aside

Leviah42:   by the works

TESLA21058:       sounds like it's not for the layman to attempt....those are big shoes and dangerous toys

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, why is our core Ecstatic?  Can't we "just get

RBCF 3000: along"? 

Mythagorass:      from human standpoints, this would be new material, but we came from there, so it isn't

Freethinker40:    The Ego will all most always bring you back to physical reality

Leviah42:   question

TESLA21058:       yes Free.. and all of those dirty little closets

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, do you mean that the ego limits us, or that it

RBCF 3000: grounds us?

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Alisnntrnt:       Tesla, are the closets really dirty or is it our gulit about what we have in them?

Mythagorass:      if you change your perspective to one of being temporarily here, then ego can step aside.

Freethinker40:    it grounds us

TESLA21058:       Alisnntrnt, IMO, it's both...it's dogma and false ego.  Not all ego is bad <g>

Alisnntrnt:      

Freethinker40:    yes in a way ..Myth

MagicMama111:     i personally don;t want to grounded by ego, ego gets in the way of truth

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, by "ego" then, are you referring to our core

RBCF 3000: nature, or to indoctrinated personality?

Freethinker40:    Ego is important in physical reality

Mythagorass:      if your ego agrees in it's temporary standing in humanity, why would there be a problem?

MagicMama111:     why? free

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, hiya-- we're discussing frames of reality.  Does

RBCF 3000: this tie in with worlds of the assemblage point?

Freethinker40:    Ego is not a part of core ....3000

So so Rus: frames of reality

Zamurito:   Free, what IS ego part of ?

Mythagorass:      ego is a temporary mask, a part you play.  if you know this, there should be no problem.

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, exactly right-- I think that's why most people

So so Rus: i think so...different worlds different frames different points on ass point

RBCF 3000: don't go looking for "trouble", right? 

MagicMama111:     sure there is a problem--  you can know something and it can still get in the way

Fleetwolf: Ego is like any "manmade" construct or tool...It is as good and as bad as you use for.

Mythagorass:      if you go humbly into the source of yourself, as just one part of your wholeness, then no

Mythagorass:      problems should occur

REISHISAGE:       How did topic turn to ego answer me that?

Freethinker40:    Ego is a part of our beliefs...

Kc and marcy:     ego rules.........not

Zamurito:   Is ego not part of the whole "Us?"

Kc and marcy:     knowledge is the key

Mythagorass:      ego is just the human part of us.

Kc and marcy:     knowledge brings humility

Freethinker40:    yes

Mythagorass:      there are countless egos to each of us.

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, yes, if ***HUMBLE*** enough. But we never

RBCF 3000: are humble enough, are we?  We always have to suffer first,

TESLA21058:       ego is part of the human *trap* of us

RBCF 3000: it seems.

So so Rus: i think we can talk allwe want but self importance is always there

Kc and marcy:     suffering makes you tuff

Kc and marcy:     and strong

Selph2000: REISHI..you know the ego has no manners

TESLA21058:       Kc...and it kills ya quicker too

REISHISAGE:       it causes a drift in main goal, like topic

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, exactly-- and the disciplines I speak of are

RBCF 3000: intended to bring them all into alignment.

Mythagorass:      if you die, you have no choice but to face yourself.  make a choice to be humble within your

Kc and marcy:     that's true

Mythagorass:      wholeness now

Kc and marcy:     it like using too many steroids

Mythagorass:      i am only a piece of my whole

So so Rus: i think the ego is the foreign installation

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, that's why all shamans and Priests have to

RBCF 3000: face Death and go thru the underworld, isn't it?

Zamurito:   3k.....What disciplines do you speak of?

Mythagorass:      3000, that is the symbology of osiris and others, the going into death

RBCF 3000: Zamurito, earlier tonight, I spoke of the modern-day

RBCF 3000: disciplines like Gurdjieff, Zen, 4th Way, NLP, Avatar, etc.

REISHISAGE:       ah but 3000 these new techo shaman do not face deaths they assume the ego's mask of teachers

Punaturtle:       Aloha

So so Rus: well be here on time, how unpecable of u

REISHISAGE:       that would be a hoaxy treatment ah

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, yes, but it's not just metaphor-- we actually do

RBCF 3000: have to Die in order to be born and to awaken.

So so Rus: techno shaman thats cool

REISHISAGE:       play on words

TESLA21058:       good point Reishi

RBCF 3000: ... but not the ignoble death of the sleeping.

Freethinker40:    Death is Birth

Kc and marcy:     particleman, triangle man, and universe man

Mythagorass:      for instance, the pyramid coffin.  last rites of passage, astral projection to know your

Mythagorass:      truth

Fleetwolf: Some are born awake already...

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, then can they truly achieve what we are trying

RBCF 3000: to do?

REISHISAGE:       <~ die two times this lifetime

Selph2000: to realize who one is..one has to face that which he/she is not

Bitsty:     Is astral travel a kind of death?

Freethinker40:    yes ...Bits

Bitsty:     How so Free?

Mythagorass:      astral travel is your reality.  waking in the body is like being drunken in comparison

REISHISAGE:       To answer u NO infactically 3000 , they cannot achieve it but those that buy into their

REISHISAGE:       schemes.

REISHISAGE:       not true to themselves

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, that's always a risk-- but I've always learned

RBCF 3000: something from them anyway, until I saw that I had to leave

RBCF 3000: and keep looking.

Freethinker40:    you leave your corporal body behind...Bisty

Fleetwolf: Sometimes teachers teach you what NOT to do...

REISHISAGE:       3000 if u hav or maybe u will meet sometime real deal there will be no more questions n mind

So so Rus: so we lost our egos right?

REISHISAGE:       no comparison

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, right-- a lot of the ecstatic states feel drunk at

RBCF 3000: first, but only till we get our legs under us, so to speak.

Mythagorass:      in the mystic traditional schools, learning the difference between this body life, and

Kc and marcy:     please help me i am new

Bitsty:     yes , i understand that Free

Mythagorass:      spirit life is the graduation

So so Rus: kc u must stick to topic or you will be gaged or removed

Bitsty:     What if you it unknowingly..what does that say ablut you?

Kc and marcy:     non linear time free of the body

Bitsty:     about

Kc and marcy:     what is the topic

So so Rus: good ?

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, thanks but we'll handle discipline (and bondage

REISHISAGE:       not here to give lesson only to answer what comes up as best i can :>

Mythagorass:      bitsy, so what unknowingly?

Bitsty:     what if you astral travel unknowingly...

So so Rus: bondage now thats a topic

Mythagorass:      bitsy, you mean without remembering?

Kc and marcy:     a short explanation please

Bitsty:     yes, and not doing it on purpose

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, this is a class about ecstatic states of awareness.

REISHISAGE:       slide or hand, slide of mind, sliding ........the ancient trickster storytellers loki

Mythagorass:      bitsy, all humans astral travel, when we sleep.

Freethinker40:    you do in the dream state all the time..../?

Bitsty:     every night?

So so Rus: this is a class about ecstatic states of awareness.

Leviah42:   has anyone here been in this ecstatic state of awareness?

Mythagorass:      every night, we just have slight remembrances as dreams

Kc and marcy:     falling off a cliff is a good sense of awareness

Kc and marcy:     it s realty

Kc and marcy:     its stimulation

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Mythagorass:      sorry, trying to find a color i can follow myself, lol

RBCF 3000: Ok, we need to get back to the outline, running out of

RBCF 3000: time........

Alisnntrnt:       lol, understood Myth!

RBCF 3000: Please hold comments for a couple of minutes while I give

RBCF 3000: the text of the next idea .............

RBCF 3000: The truth is that it is not the methods themselves that are

RBCF 3000: mystical, but what we make out of them, where we may go

RBCF 3000: with them. There is nothing inherently mystical about

RBCF 3000: speaking in tongues or channeling beings of the seventh

RBCF 3000: dimension, nor about entering specific trance states at will,

RBCF 3000: nor about being able to pierce the flesh, handle fire or snake

RBCF 3000: venom or walk on hot coals or on broken glass, nor on

RBCF 3000: witnessing "miracles" -- quotation marks because most of

RBCF 3000: what we call miracles are fairly straightforward "tricks" of the

RBCF 3000: attention.

RBCF 3000: The real Miraculous is both more subtle than these

RBCF 3000: perceptions and, at the same time, much more powerful.  But

RBCF 3000: to enter into the Miraculous and witness, as martyrs, takes

RBCF 3000: something extraordinary in us, something that takes long,

RBCF 3000: persistent super-efforts on our part, and also quite a bit of

RBCF 3000: extraordinary and magical "luck" from outside of our normal

RBCF 3000: frame.

Doughboy389:      RBCF have you been translated to one place to the Other?

NightPath: 3K> Attention...awareness not a result of effort..it is a

NightPath: result of being..it is awakening to your birthright

RBCF 3000: ******* Ok, we should define some of these terms........

So so Rus: u know when i first did tensegrity i felt this bliss

Freethinker40:    Mind over matter

RBCF 3000: Doughboy, yes-- it's pretty bewildering, isn't it?

Doughboy389:      Ya I would say it would be

NightPath: What effort is required to take a breath

Doughboy389:      How far did you translate

So so Rus: i think u might be more inclined to feel this if u are around higher beings

RBCF 3000: NightPath, then how does it come to us?  Just a gift or luck?

Leviah42:   a gift

Leviah42:   not at will

NightPath: 3k> it does not come to you..it is you

Freethinker40:    true .....Night

RBCF 3000: Doughboy, I don't know how to measure the "distance".

Mythagorass:      it's will over persception.  convincing the mind that your "reality" is not here.

Mgb153:     bbl

RBCF 3000: NightPath, then why don't we know it all the time?

Doughboy389:      was it FAR

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, is "convincing" the same as *will*?

RBCF 3000: Doughboy, some near, some very very very far.

Mythagorass:      "ego", mind, needs to be convinced.  either by practice or instant experience.

NightPath: 3K> you do know it all the time...you chosse to ignore

NightPath: it..in ordr to buy into the ilusion..what good is a movie if

NightPath: you know it is just light on a screen..

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, I find that terror and desperation are great

RBCF 3000: "convincers" 

Mythagorass:      3000, then the mind is not convinced enough

TESLA21058:       Night...it's entertainment..like most folk's lives here

Selph2000: Night...excellent

Leviah42:   what is the purpose of this class? what is the goal here?

Freethinker40:    true ....Night

RBCF 3000: NightPath, why would I ever choose sleep & ignorance over

RBCF 3000: awakening and mastery?

So so Rus: good ? lev

TESLA21058:       that little body is a great playground too <g>

Mythagorass:      3000, you did when you came here. moot question

Mgb153:     myth, was gonna IM you, you are blocked...

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, the Power is not located in the mind, at least

RBCF 3000: not the mind we know of here...

NightPath: 3k> The joy of playing hide 7 sekk with your self..it is a playful universe@!!

Galaxon:    3000 perytons choose the former every time

Leviah42:   how do we know to seek awareness if we never have been there?

REISHISAGE:       awakening and persay mastery is items of desired ends held by ego minds

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, "perytons"???

Mythagorass:      3000, that is your test of coming here.  lifetimes in blindness, can you become free?

REISHISAGE:       to allow it to come to you is the way

Galaxon:    yes....someone taht used to come here

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, I expect to find that out for good and sure real soon.  

Mythagorass:      3000, then step aside.  that's all it takes.

RBCF 3000: Leviah, true, but something in us does recognize the Truth

RBCF 3000: when we get to it-- very strange...

NightPath: 3K> can you look into the world and smile?

REISHISAGE:       truth smacks u down it gets attentions swiftly

REISHISAGE:       truth is something you stumble into when you think you're going someplace else..

REISHISAGE:       jerry garcia

RBCF 3000: NightPath, yes, but I don't know what smiling proves,

RBCF 3000: ultimately...

TESLA21058:       depends on who's truth...

So so Rus: thats nice reish but not always true

Leviah42:   I know what you're saying, 3000, and I agree.. but why do we recognize the truth?

Mythagorass:      one of the teachings, even of Jesus, was that you have to give up your power to your true

Mythagorass:      self

REISHISAGE:       Rus nothing is always

NightPath: 3K> it proves..you can take it all in..in joy..and not in just intellect

So so Rus: hum wowo thats deep

RBCF 3000: Leviah, I think it may be like science fiction-- dormant codes

RBCF 3000: in our DNA or something, that activate under certain

RBCF 3000: conditions...

RBCF 3000: NightPath, for sure! 

Leviah42:   maybe it's because we were already taught the truth

REISHISAGE:       but then we hold judgements here in higher mind new age right :>

RBCF 3000: Ok, just a little more of tonight's lesson to go-- please hold

RBCF 3000: comments once again.

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RBCF 3000: In the Miraculous that I am referring to, the direct

RBCF 3000: relationship between our intentions, words and even passing

RBCF 3000: thoughts to what is manifest, becomes immediately and

RBCF 3000: transparently clear.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Think about dogs you've seen choking on their leashes

RBCF 3000: because they don't realize the relationship between the leash

RBCF 3000: and their mobility. With cats, you can put some fluttery

RBCF 3000: plastic on the end of a wire, and they will keep chasing and

RBCF 3000: jumping at the toy, usually never becoming aware that all

RBCF 3000: their effort corresponds to a simple flick of your wrist.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: I am saying that the effort we are making constitutes as big a

RBCF 3000: leap as it would take a dog or a cat to understand how a

RBCF 3000: human controls them. Such a leap would take great efforts on

RBCF 3000: the part of the animal, enormous help from some patient

RBCF 3000: human, and even physiological changes.

RBCF 3000: Obviously, the animal does not have the mental equipment

RBCF 3000: to understand how our hands operate, and then they do not

RBCF 3000: have hands with which to do the manipulations.

RBCF 3000: .

NightPath: 3K> okay...you are still talking from a dualism..you are

NightPath: not in the wsorld..the world is in YOU!

RBCF 3000: NightPath, I agree with you. 

Mythagorass:      nightpath, seems the thinking mind can't get out of they're way, lol

Galaxon:    how can altered states be nonsense?

Leviah42:   that is why we are told we do not have the mind of God

Rdwebster: We are one mind, the universal mind of God.

Mythagorass:      humans like to force themselves to be higher than their state of now.  mind in the way.

Leviah42:   if that were true... then we would be automatically aware

Galaxon:    one mind, many bodies

NightPath: 3K> if you had 15 minutes to live..what would you do?

Mythagorass:      forcing enlightenment never works. mind will never understand.

Leviah42:   true Myth

Rdwebster: enjoy the moment for 15 minutes

REISHISAGE:       that was what was meant by allowing it to come to you..

RBCF 3000: NightPath, I'd sing and dance, and my Death would stand and

Mythagorass:      just step aside, consciously give up your power to your source.

RBCF 3000: wait till I had danced the dance of my whole Life. 

Galaxon:    3k so ecstatic awareness is  experincing oneness?

Leviah42:   yes, Reishi

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Selph2000: That Which Is cannot be except in the space THat Which Is Not

Galaxon:    in other words......nirvanayh

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, I guess so, but it is awareness that no words can

RBCF 3000: describe.  This class is just a jumping-off point for it.

Galaxon:    3k...ok  awareness of the absoulute

Rdwebster: ...nirvanay, yes because the present moment is all that really exists

Mythagorass:      all mystical schools forced you to give up your powers.  rites of passage to rid you of ego.

Galaxon:    the problem with the absolute is that it experiences nothing. has only knowledge

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, I guess, whatever that means... do you see?  I

RBCF 3000: agree, but don't want to reduce the idea to a recipe card.

Leviah42:   being kind and caring to others is the actual "jumping-off" point .. as you say

REISHISAGE:       a song maybe tom petty .... free falling come to mind when 3000 say jumping off point ..lol

So so Rus: good point lev

RBCF 3000: Leviah, compassion is certainly a great tool for it, but is not

RBCF 3000: the goal itself that I am seeking in this discourse.

So so Rus: i think when we good looking 4 enlightenment we alwys find the *me*

Leviah42:   I already asked you what the goal was.

Mythagorass:      " it is not myself, but my father who works through me."   that is giving up to your self.

NightPath: 3K> As long as you have a goal..you are only driven by born mind..can you feel that?

REISHISAGE:       Selph did you get all that :>

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, about the Absolute, I might say just the exact

RBCF 3000: opposite-- all experience at once.

Freethinker40:    We create all realities with our thoughts and emotions and feeling behind them

Mythagorass:      nightpath.  agreed.  you cannot have a goal.  mind has goals

Galaxon:    3k....in the absolute...everything is the same...what is there to experience and how?

Selph2000: Gala..that is the space  of no time...to have an experience there must be a time frame

RBCF 3000: NightPath, that reduces everything to nothing. Leaves

So so Rus: but are we always responsible 4 them  free?

RBCF 3000: nowhere to go, I think. 

Galaxon:    3k in the absolute...how can forgiveness be experienced if there is nobody to forgive?

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, I find differently.

NightPath: when you are already everywhere....no place to go yes

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, because I-am the hologram of forgiveness.

REISHISAGE:       and thats a self chekmate like blow up doll

Leviah42:   it's a very pure heart that has nobody to forgive

Mythagorass:      ok 

RBCF 3000: ******** Ok, I am almost done with tonight's lesson, so

RBCF 3000: please hold comments for one more minute..................

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RBCF 3000: The mystical lineage that I am reporting about regards our

RBCF 3000: position as much the same as the examples I have been

RBCF 3000: giving you here. We could awaken, we could uncover the

RBCF 3000: programs that run us, we could learn to observe the

RBCF 3000: connection between everything, we could learn that unified

RBCF 3000: intent governs the structure of the universe, we could learn

RBCF 3000: how the gods control us, and we **could** learn how to take

RBCF 3000: that control away from the gods and keep it for ourselves.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: We could become immortal, omniscient and omnipotent. Best

RBCF 3000: of all, we could learn to be the source of universal love. We

RBCF 3000: could know a oneness with each other such that all of our

RBCF 3000: needs are always met perfectly, in perfect harmony.  Not

RBCF 3000: only is this extremely rare and difficult, but it is as if forces

RBCF 3000: come into play that resist our progress more and more as we

RBCF 3000: advance to freedom. But is it ultimately worth it? That is for

RBCF 3000: each of us to decide and claim.

RBCF 3000: .

Freethinker40:    physical reality is not the only reality....it would become stale so to speak

RBCF 3000: It is very strange that people will say, "I am only human" as

RBCF 3000: if that were a sufficient excuse to do nothing differently, an

RBCF 3000: explanation of weakness and sleep. Yet it is the Human alone

RBCF 3000: that can make the kinds of transformations that we have

RBCF 3000: been talking about. What comfort do we get out of excusing

RBCF 3000: ourselves to an all-too-brief life of stupid suffering leading to

RBCF 3000: ignoble death? Especially when such an amazingly wonderful

RBCF 3000: alternative is possible.

RBCF 3000: *********** OK, friends, that is tonight's lesson.  What do

RBCF 3000: you think?  Questions about terminology?

NightPath: 3K> learn..is a TIME ILLUSION of the born mind..your

NightPath: birthright is connected to the one mind/all knowing

TESLA21058:       yesss!!!

Leviah42:   I think I'm glad to have the beliefs I have.

TESLA21058:       no questions here...I follow and it fits for me

Mythagorass:      lesson, lol.  more of a treatise.

So so Rus: it was nice 3k yer getting better

Leviah42:   I'm also glad to know that God does not control me.

Freethinker40:    I believe we are all apart of ALL THAT IS .....

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, thanks.

Mythagorass:      as i said before, you can't think yourself into enlightenment.

RBCF 3000: Leviah, who does control us, then?  The ego seems to small

RBCF 3000: and ignorant, doesn't it?

Selph2000: "I tell you this "YE ARE GODS"-CWG...and also bibilical

NightPath: Myth> YES!!

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, and I agree with you.  Then why DO we discuss

RBCF 3000: the path?

Freethinker40:    There is nothing to take from anybody

Leviah42:   Love is not control

Godznu:     Would you say that this estatic state is the fourth stage of consciousness

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, then how do we activate our birthright?

So so Rus: one minute yer aware of it and the next time u turn yer head your not

TESLA21058:       because it solidifies it for us...makes it within grasp to LIVE

NightPath: 3K> Can you tell when one speaks from a belief..and when one speaks from a knowing?

Mythagorass:      3000, it's necessary to discuss how things are done.  but mind needs to know it's limits.

RBCF 3000: Leviah, shouldn't be, but the way we "love" on Earth sure

RBCF 3000: seems like control & manipulation, doesn't it?

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, can mind *set* its own limits?

TESLA21058:       seems like it tome 3000

Leviah42:   not if we are aware

RBCF 3000: Leviah, how do we *get* aware?

Freethinker40:    you are only talking of physical birthright ...3000

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, I am??????????

Leviah42:   If we are aware of who we are.. the needs are gone.. control is a need

Mythagorass:      3000, that would be arrogance of ego, or limiting, either way, assumption.

Leviah42:   3000... by asking with a sincere heart

RBCF 3000: Leviah, and then listening for the Answer, right? 

Quizzy Too:       This is a facinating discussion. When I look up, I can see it dancing up above my head.

Leviah42:   Oh but the "answer" often comes in ways we don't expect.

RBCF 3000: Quizzy Too, that's how I get these ideas.

Godznu:     Consciously aware of our omnipresenc and omnipotence,is that who we are?

Mythagorass:      mind can only assume, and ponder.  setting limits either limits, or gets dissapointed

NightPath: You are the answer..you create questions only so you can find yourself!

Quizzy Too:       I read somewhere that there are years of questioning, and there are years of answers.

RBCF 3000: Godznu, at core, yes-- but the trick is how to bring the

RBCF 3000: Totality of the Self back around to meet it, right?

REISHISAGE:       perhaps 3000 prethought this to purge some others knowledge out of them ...that would be a

REISHISAGE:       nice programming

Quizzy Too:       I think I'll just finish up my questioning years, and look forward to the answering ones.

Freethinker40:    3000...Why do you talk of taking this Consciousness from something?

Quizzy Too:       And have some tea all the while.

NightPath: Stop talking...Stop thinking...and there is nothing you will not understand.

Godznu:     but  arent we the very thing we are seeking?

RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, it's not up to me to do anything with people's

RBCF 3000: knowledge.  At best I can confirm one's experience a bit.

Mythagorass:      when you die, you have no choice.  if your ego is in control, you will not become complete.

TESLA21058:       3000, thank you for a very special evening.  It was much enjoyed.

REISHISAGE:       3000 u would assume the all authority at that point if others allowed it , but u may find it

REISHISAGE:       harder to do than u think :>

NightPath: it is only in your self doubt you create the question..for you are the answer

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, we ARE consciousness-- we use our experience

RBCF 3000: to take the Power we need back into ourselves, see?

Freethinker40:    ok

REISHISAGE:       cancel cancel ok ok yes

Godznu:     Buddha says if you peel an onion,layer after layer,what is left at the core,nothing, in them

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Freethinker40:    i misunderstood you ..sorry....3000

Mythagorass:      3000, there's another one.  you can't "take" the power.  you have to give yourself up.

RBCF Arwen:       Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your

RBCF Arwen:       participation, sharing, and insights tonight.

RBCF Arwen:       Please remember our next class will be at this

RBCF Arwen:       same time, same night next Monday. If you

RBCF Arwen:       would like a log of this class please Email me,

RBCF Arwen:       RBCF Arwen, and I will get ti to you as soon as

RBCF Arwen:       I can. Thank you*

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, basically, we have divested our Power of

Godznu:     In the same way shouldnt we peel layer after layer of  self away

RBCF 3000: awareness in all the little concerns of life, so we have to go

RBCF 3000: round it up, is how I think of it.

RBCF Arwen:       Free chat open

Alisnntrnt:       thank you 3K

RBCF 3000: You're all very welcome.  Next week: We will examine the

RBCF 3000: books, movies, media, myths and stories which portray these

RBCF 3000: ideas and possibilities most clearly.  Thank you all for

RBCF 3000: wondering with us today.

Freethinker40:    ok..thanks.300..very good class tonihgt

Godznu:     Peace be to you,Little

NightPath: Godnz> A priest confronted buddha with a

NightPath: question.."Buddha are you man or god" Buddha replied I

NightPath: am Awake

RBCF 3000: NOTE:  please email me if you'd like the log of the class or our

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Mythagorass:      we don't have 1 millionth of who we are, with us here.  we never will as long as we have ego

Gldnblravn2:      Thank you all...RBCF's

Godznu:     Yes the awakened one seeing things as they are one reality

RBCF Arwen:       {{{{The New Age}}}}

Alisnntrnt:       Namaste' all

RBCF Arwen:       Good night all

NightPath: Godnz. Right on !

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, that is what we'll be tackling in future classes--

RBCF 3000: glad you brought it up.

Mythagorass:      how so?

Gldnblravn2:      MP...RBCF Arwen

RBCF 3000: Mythagorass, I agree with you about ego limitation, and I'll

RBCF 3000: be getting into how to step out of ego.

RBCF 3000: Good night, friends......... <poof>