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RBCF Herm: OKAY, ARWEN, TAKE IT AWAY

RBCF 3000: Ok, now we are continuing right along with classes-- this next

RBCF 3000: one here now is a whole compendium of the paradigms of

RBCF 3000: mystical awareness. Lesson #4 of a 25-week series.

RBCF 3000: We conduct this class in "semi-formal protocol" which means

RBCF 3000: that we just wait for the speaker to complete each idea, then

RBCF 3000: take turns in discussion.

RBCF 3000: RBCF Arwen will now introduce what we are doing here tonight

RBCF Arwen:       Ladies and gentlemen...

RBCF Arwen:       protocol please

DreamTh8tr:       and a hush falls over the crowd

RBCF Arwen:       Welcome, , to our class in Ecstatic Awareness. The

RBCF Arwen:       word "ecstatic," refers to the mystical usage referring

RBCF Arwen:       to *outside of* all normal states of perception or

RBCF Arwen:       awareness.  TOS will be followed. The class is

RBCF Arwen:       "informal" protocol. The instructor will open a topic,

RBCF Arwen:       intro it, then go ahead with question and answers,

RBCF Arwen:       repeating this process several times. Tonight: A run-

RBCF Arwen:       down of the principal ideas of mystical

RBCF Arwen:       consciousness.

RBCF 3000: (ahem...)

RBCF 3000: Tonight I am going to talk about each of the ideas that

RBCF 3000: make up this study, in brief. We have all of next year to

RBCF 3000: go into everything in great detail and attention. I

RBCF 3000: apologize in advance for using obscure (and often made-

RBCF 3000: up!) terms-- they help me to summarize the ideas, and

RBCF 3000: we will have plenty of time to elaborate them in the

RBCF 3000: coming months.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Let's start with what we are made up of. There are lots

RBCF 3000: of paradigms for dividing us up every which way, so I'll

RBCF 3000: mention the main ones that come to mind.

ShayeWH:    What exactly do you mean by 'what we are made up of'

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Chesster67:       i believe consciousness can not arise from mere matter.

Chesster67:       there is something more

Maotzz:     electricity?

Freethinker40:    consciousness creates matter

Maotzz:     I think it's marvelous how they can put an IC chip in someone

Maotzz:     and that improves HUMAN memory!!!!!

NightPath: interesting concept..the middle of a thought

RBCF 3000: First of all, we have Personality and Essence. This is

RBCF 3000: very simple, really. Essence is what we were born

RBCF 3000: with: our tastes, native abilities, handedness, and

RBCF 3000: basic configuration like gender, growth potential, race

RBCF 3000: and so on.

RBCF 3000: Personality, on the other hand, is all the indoctrination,

RBCF 3000: socialization, entraining and habitual imitation that

RBCF 3000: began practically the moment we were born.

RBCF 3000: All beliefs, labels, categories and everything we end up

RBCF 3000: calling our "thoughts" and "feelings" are fabrications in

RBCF 3000: false personality.

RBCF 3000: ******* OK, that's a complete idea. Go right ahead now

Chesster67:       every cause contains every effect within itself, true?

Chesster67:       i mean, every cause contains its effect within it, no?

Chesster67:       wait, a minute! what is the definition of personality?

ShayeWH:    But these categories while dividing give not only safety but even a sense of purpose

Chesster67:       what is the essence of personality?

RochelleDo:       Great to see you put it that way, 3000, tis true inho

WiseBum:    true RB.whats is there after realizing  this

REISHISAGE:       Chesster its the tongue i think

RBCF 3000: WiseBum, we're getting to that

Maotzz:     thought personality was the combination of the innate and learned behaviours

Maotzz:     yes?

Chesster67:       i believe personality is more than mere behaviours

Freethinker40:    consciousness is are heritage.....

RBCF 3000: ShayeWH, yes, that is correct. These ideas are for

RBCF 3000: paths other than "safety" and "comfort"

Maotzz:     that's the innate part :)

Maotzz:     the moreness

Chesster67:       consciousness is a part of self.

Bluelf5:    hi I thought personality was the phisical expression of the soul and mind

Starborn50:       im be b

UNANA:      {{{{{Friends}}}}}

Chesster67:       personality is who you are.

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, in some paradigms, that is true, of course. In

RBCF 3000: those of mystical awareness, we make a distinction

RBCF 3000: this way.

Maotzz:     that too doesn't seem contradictory to me Blue

Freethinker40:    personality is more EGO based

JorgChch:   19/m/nj

WiseBum:    is personality Love in action

Maotzz:     seems a different way to say the same thing

Chesster67:       jorg  where from in nj?

REISHISAGE:       tongue though acts both subconsciously and consciously and is highly sensitve

Bluelf5:    its a qoute from ED Cayce

Maotzz:     Aha!

JorgChch:   perth amboy

RBCF 3000: Chesster, that's the whole point.  *WHO* and

RBCF 3000: *WHAT* really is who I am?  Are my neuroses and

RBCF 3000: biases *ME*?

UNANA:      Jorg, I'm near Fords

LRomano757:       SHHHH!

Maotzz:     they .. help to identify you to others

Maotzz:     your distinctiveness

RBCF 3000: JorgChch, please take personal chat into IMs while we are holding classes. Thanks.

Chesster67:       no, i cannot believe that the eslf is mere brain activity.

Chesster67:       self

RochelleDo:       maybe all the :me:s we find ourselves are incredibly

RochelleDo:       important to have been

Wingsoligh:       I am so bummed

Maotzz:     right agree with Chesster but your neurosises aren't all there is to you

Maotzz:     or anyone else

RBCF 3000: UNANA, please take personal chat into IMs during class. Thanks

Freethinker40:    the self rises from uknowing into knowing

Chesster67:       the self is nonmaterial

Wingsoligh:        I will lEave in  a few min

WiseBum:    no rb  those are forms of predjudice and judgement..things are now

REISHISAGE:       in africa they took out half a kids head adn brain and he walks aruond today fully functiona

REISHISAGE:       the other parts took over

Wingsoligh:        I wanted to go To the mirage so badly and It didnt work out

REISHISAGE:       true story

RBCF 3000: RochelleDo, maybe useful-- but why "incredibly

RBCF 3000: important"?  Most of my "me"s seem pretty accidental,

Wingsoligh:        It seems Like I have no family That wants me

Bluelf5:    in the Baghvita the personality is described as the free will of the soul expressing itself

RBCF 3000: IMO.

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, please take personal chat into IMs during formal class. Thanks

Magycian:   Cool Reishi

Freethinker40:    true......blue i agree

WiseBum:    wings  you  have the sea  it calls you

Wingsoligh:       Like I said Im leaving now

Wingsoligh:        no worryds

Chesster67:       matter exists by itself, but if it exists within consciousness, it has a deeper level of

Chesster67:       reality

Bluelf5:    thru action or inaction

Chesster67:       i think the self is Will.

RBCF 3000: Chesster, how do you *know* that "matter" "exists" "by itself"??

Chesster67:       definitely

Chesster67:       RB, i do not know how i know

RBCF 3000: Chesster, I think the Real Self is Will, for sure!

Chesster67:       RB, why do you share this belief? what compells you?

REISHISAGE:       will is ego motivational isn't it

TESLA21058:       How do you tell the difference between what you know, and what you THINK you know?

RBCF 3000: TESLA, sure beats me!

Grazhopprr:       knowledge has nothing to do with truth or wisdom

Chesster67:       tesla, it is intuitive

TESLA21058:       ack!  LOL..you are supposed to KNOW 3000!  lol

Freethinker40:    true......grazzzz

Magycian:   Look in the mirror?

WiseBum:    I think I need a drink...no......I know i need a drink

REISHISAGE:       nothing of truth has knowledge basis from wisdoms of ages or sages

RochelleDo:       what you know you know now but what you think you

Grazhopprr:       what we know is only what we think we need at the time

RochelleDo:       know you only think

Chesster67:       RB, why do you think Will is Self?

RBCF 3000: Chesster, except for the "IS" part.  I'd say that the

Grazhopprr:       and?

RBCF 3000: Total Self is the expression of Will, but maybe there's

RBCF 3000: no diff.

RBCF 3000: OK, NOW FOR NEXT IDEA ...........................

RBCF 3000: Another breakdown is to say that we have a separate

RBCF 3000: mind for every major function, each of which works

RBCF 3000: with its own special energy, and at its own speed. So

RBCF 3000: the intellect is one mind, and the slowest of them all.

RBCF 3000: The emotional center works with an energy a whole

RBCF 3000: order of magnitude faster than that, and does not

RBCF 3000: describe its experiences in words at all.

RBCF 3000: **** And similarly for all the other mind-functions, see?  Ok, open floor

REISHISAGE:       truths and wisdoms even knowledge are manmade concepts adaptations from familiar behavioral

REISHISAGE:       evolutions

TESLA21058:       <nodding>

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RBCF 3000: REISHISAGE, most, but perhaps not ALL, eh?

Freethinker40:    you talking of the super consciousness.......3000........?

TESLA21058:       the way I see it is we aren't in this body alone, we

TESLA21058:       have many many *entities* (if you will) all fighting for

TESLA21058:       control of the body functions

Maotzz:     MPD?

Magycian:   I like that Tesla

RBCF 3000: Freethinker, maybe-- we'd have to see what is meant

RBCF 3000: by "superconscious" or any other term we use, right?

TESLA21058:       cellular level, protoplasmic level, soul level, etc

Freethinker40:    i agree.........tesla

WiseBum:    I observe a morning songbird  high up in a tree.I am one with the song.with the bird

Grazhopprr:       normalcy is neurotic

TESLA21058:       some days one has the upperhand, other days you miss the elevator totally

Lorinaz:    superconscious meaning higher relms????????????

Freethinker40:    yes.......3000,,,,many words,but all mean the same thing

RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, but perhaps the alternative is psychotic?

Magycian:   Good practice Wise

Grazhopprr:       face it, being human is being skitzo

Bluelf5:    our bodys have differing systems thatall work together as do our minds & souls

TESLA21058:       well Blue...in a perfect world they would <g>

Bluelf5:    the graet teachers of the Past & present spend an enormus effort on

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, right-- that's what I am talking about here.

Lorinaz:    we are one sith soul

TESLA21058:       I don't think they try to work together...one HAS to be in control of the others

Bluelf5:    teaching us to be aware of them all & to excersise tham

Lorinaz:    with

Grazhopprr:       why not just turn the all off?

MagicMama111:      why does one have too control, what about consensus?

Maotzz:     something like Tai Chi helps one learn to work them all together

Maotzz:     or yoga

REISHISAGE:       hold on my kefflar watch just went off , ,, Tesla thought u worked those bugs out finally.

Maotzz:     right MagicMama

RBCF 3000: TESLA, in ordinary personality, they usually topple

RBCF 3000: each other every five minutes-- each one is king--but

RBCF 3000: these are not even the real mind-centers, they are

RBCF 3000: artifacts.

REISHISAGE:       but my meannig in all that was nothing manmade is ever perfect

Grazhopprr:       flick a switch, turn off the mind.

Bluelf5:    there are many differant "names"&definitions for this superconsiousness but

TESLA21058:       agreed 3000...but that is where most *humans* choose to live!

WiseBum:    Grazz each is part of the all....

RBCF 3000: ... It takes "power" and some special features of higher

RBCF 3000: consciousness for Master to appear in us.

Bluelf5:    each person must utilize that which is best for him

Freethinker40:    we are not just ....who we are now......inphysical reality we are a pert of many seleves

Bluelf5:    because everyone ids culturally and spiritually dfferant

RBCF 3000: TESLA, """choose"""  as if we know what we are choosing, right?

Bluelf5:    hmm?

Grazhopprr:       we've had thousands of personalities in lifetimes, weren't they set aside to come here?

Freethinker40:    creating a whole which is allways in change

TESLA21058:       as if, 3000 

Freethinker40:    i agree......grazzzz

RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, not really set aside-- they keep setting

Maotzz:     and we could be mergeance of personalities we  know

RBCF 3000: each other aside all the time, till we gain enough

RBCF 3000: power to reassert Unity of Being.

Maotzz:     is personality such a tangible singular thing?

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, I'm sure we are! 

Grazhopprr:       why dissect your past mind (s),,,,,just turn them off and let your own higher self in

Maotzz:     ah I see

WiseBum:    when we are connected  we will be complete

Maotzz:     :)

REISHISAGE:       Graz maybe according to our roadmaps at prebirth a grouping traits of persons-alities are

Lorinaz:    brb

REISHISAGE:       subject to be installed at moment notice

Freethinker40:    the unconscious knows all its seleves

Bluelf5:    <trying real hard to stand outside of mind and see in to soul lol

REISHISAGE:       depending on external stimuli

REISHISAGE:       someone was a master once had to be Mao

RBCF 3000: The next major idea is the relation of the Attentions to

RBCF 3000: states of Consciousness, so that First Attention

RBCF 3000: relates to the ordinary world, what we usually call

RBCF 3000: "waking consciousness," but for our purposes should be

RBCF 3000: regarded as "fitful sleep."

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Second Attention is awakened Self; ironically, this

RBCF 3000: often begins in dreaming, because in dreaming we are

RBCF 3000: not trapped in the categories and norms of our

RBCF 3000: indoctrination. In some schools, this may be called

RBCF 3000: "self-remembering."

RBCF 3000: People like to talk about "cosmic consciousness." If

RBCF 3000: there is such a thing, it could be called Third Attention

RBCF 3000: in this paradigm.

RBCF 3000: ***** Have you heard of "attention" and "consciousness" used in these ways?

Freethinker40:    yes

Grazhopprr:       too much work

Bluelf5:    presceince & other Pyshic talents come from this right?

WiseBum:    I havent heard  but  I got a feeling

Freethinker40:    the dream state is a way of traveling to true inner self,so to speak

Bluelf5:    the mind combining these attentions?

Grazhopprr:       humans sure like to make things difficult, lol

Freethinker40:    lol

DCizunas:   I've heard of consciousness, but never the attention part

RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, it's true-- these ways are a tremendous

RBCF 3000: amount of work, very time-consuming, requiring single-

RBCF 3000: minded efforts all the time. Why would we bother?

Bluelf5:    lol

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, yes, among other things. Wonderful things.

Grazhopprr:       3k, because we want to be in control of our evolution, fight for ourselves

TESLA21058:       being aware of being aware

Bluelf5:   

J Sixto Zapata:   hey every body, what'sgoing on

Grazhopprr:       tear ourselves apart and define our being

Grazhopprr:       fighting for your spirituality never works

Bluelf5:    or do we create the universe with our attentions and influence it

Lorinaz:    bk

RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, of course-- who else would be interested in my evolution?

Bluelf5:    could that be the purpose & the motivation?

NightPath: Graz. peel an onion.and each level..its still an onion

RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, it sure feels like a fight sometimes, to overcome my habits of limitation.

TESLA21058:       *the* universe or *our* universe?

WiseBum:    I find that living a simple life builds character

Grazhopprr:       jesus called it "being born again",,,in other words, die now of your own accord

Bluelf5:    good point

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, pretty much, I'd say.

TESLA21058:       yeah Night...and it still brings tears to your eyes too

NightPath: the diff from a glass of water and an ocean?

Grazhopprr:       put your human conscious mind on the "cross", give up the fight

M Natural 1:      greetigs

RBCF 3000: TESLA, actually, each level of my Self that I peel back does bring tears to my eyes!

Galaxon:    isnt being born again cheating death?

TESLA21058:       me too 3000

NSakha:     oy vey es mier all this caca keeps you outside  every thing you want is there

Bluelf5:    ahhh 3000 thats poetic and tragic

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, actually, I find that it finally makes right use of Death!

Freethinker40:    death is birth

TESLA21058:       I meant it that way...some are joy and some are sadness, loss or fear too

Grazhopprr:       gala, being born again, means dying of this life, beginning a new life now

Galaxon:    3000 i dont believe in death..if i did, everything would be gamey

WiseBum:    fasting is  a good practice

RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, is that once, at the end, after declining health, or is it something NOW?

Bluelf5:    cyles of coniussness and cyles for everything

Bluelf5:    cycles

Grazhopprr:       3k, it means giving up your power to your higher self, dying as you are in human mind

TESLA21058:       Graz...you don't mean body death, you mean a spiritual

TESLA21058:       deat...what was once full must beemptied to fill again

Grazhopprr:       tesla, i mean mind control death

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RBCF 3000: Grazhopprr, I couldn't have said it better.

Galaxon:    3000 you might have been able to

Bluelf5:    I think this is why swamis,gurus, &whirling dervishes seek to disengage Physical realty

NSakha:     jewcraft hashem is listening

TESLA21058:       <nodding>  different words...same intent

Grazhopprr:       mind fights spirit or makes it harder to become, mind doesn't want to leave here

Jewlcraft: NSakha??

Lorinaz:    nodding

Grazhopprr:       mind finds games to keep you busy in your quest

Planetshpr:       Good evening all!

NSakha:     yes

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, I'm pretty certain I have to be able to go thru my deaths on a daily basis!

Bluelf5:    the 3rd attention is closer to death & reality outsideourselves

TESLA21058:       yes Graz...and is the Loki of your soul

Galaxon:    Tesla what is a spiritual death>?

Grazhopprr:       like,,,,,,,,disecting spirit, when it doesn't know what spirit is anyway

Galaxon:    3000 i meant you might have been able to say it better

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, what "reality" would be "outside" of the Self?

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, Oh, don't worry-- I'll be talking about this for the whole next year! 

Maotzz:     Graz is really cookin!

Bluelf5:    the reality of total consiuss like in Celistine Phropsey

Tipherath: 3000, that depends upon how large the "self" is, no?

WiseBum:    thats right.I am really not a scrooge..I just dont  buy it

Bluelf5:    the whole of ones instead of the ones of the whole

Grazhopprr:       jesus going to the cross was a symbol of the mind giving up to the spirit self

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, I understand, but don't see why that needs to be "outside" somewhere...

NSakha:     jewcraft are you there

RBCF 3000: Wonderful comments-- now let's continue ..........................

TESLA21058:       Gala, easiest way to explain is; you abandon all of

TESLA21058:       what you though you *knew* as faith, belief and truth,

TESLA21058:       and give self over to your *god* or HP (whatever) and

TESLA21058:       are *reborn*

Bluelf5:    u can't see the whole of human exisitance from the inside out

Galaxon:    oh.

Bluelf5:    most Masters make this point very strongly

Tipherath: Blue...the human condition IS that we see the

Tipherath: whole of human existence from the inside out.

Bluelf5:    it is a common thought thru out many cultures

Bluelf5:    & ideaologies

RBCF 3000: Tipherath, yes, that is one of the main points about

RBCF 3000: this Work-- how large the attention can be at a given

RBCF 3000: point-- can it encompass the Whole?

Wingsoligh:       Om shanti blue

Grazhopprr:       humans believe,,,,,that is the problem, mind wants to be the source of thought

Tipherath: 3000, agree, and that is the quest

Bluelf5:    no that is the reaction to our attentions

RBCF 3000: OK, NOW LET'S (that is, ME!) CONTINUE WITH THE

RBCF 3000: IDEA ...........................................

Freethinker40:    this is going no where

Bluelf5:    om shanti Wing

RBCF 3000: (please hold comments for a minute .................................

Tipherath: go

Grazhopprr:       yeah well, tried again,,,,,,enlightens a cigarette,,,,kicks back

RBCF 3000: There are numerous intermediate states before second

RBCF 3000: attention. I have heard them called "external

RBCF 3000: considering", the "place of no-pity", "conscience",

RBCF 3000: "remorse", etc.  The main point of these is that they

RBCF 3000: occur after ordeals, either accidental, like NDE's, or

RBCF 3000: deliberately in "works" or under the guidance or

RBCF 3000: pressure of a Master.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: The changes in the Attention are, in ordinary

RBCF 3000: psychology, ascribed to trances, sleep, drugs, trauma,

RBCF 3000: and so on, but in mystical paradigm it is more useful to

RBCF 3000: say that the Attention is a position on the luminous

RBCF 3000: field of sentient emanations which is the Whole of our

RBCF 3000: Self. The amount of experience that any one of these

RBCF 3000: positions can encompass depends upon personal

RBCF 3000: power, and/or vice-versa.

Wingsoligh:       Who is master

Wingsoligh:       ??????? god?

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, Master/God/the Self -- all One, no?

TESLA21058:       all one

Tipherath: 3000, interesting, master, god, self, all one

Bluelf5:    300 in possabilty only

RBCF 3000: This last idea is exactly what we were just getting to..

Wingsoligh:       I love ganesh

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, why "only'??

Wingsoligh:       I look At god as a Higher being Of pure  love

NSakha:     hari bol now we are cooking all one

ShastaMa:   bummer graz

Bluelf5:    300 u are saying then to know ourselves as godhead we should shine the lights of consiuness

Tipherath: Graz, then you're at one with the one...lol

Maotzz:     Graz you seem to be doing Marvelously!!!!

Galaxon:    looking at God is as difficult as smelling God

Tipherath: Galaxon...is that sex talk?...

Grazhopprr:       heh, i wish, brain fog

Bluelf5:    FROM the human exsitance and not attain an outside perspective to shine them ONTO

Bluelf5:    the human exsistence??

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, I don't know about "should"... it takes so much

RBCF 3000: lining up at the same time, so much work and luck and

RBCF 3000: grace and devotion and transformation, etc.

Maotzz:     300 what is NDE?

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, right-- and I've done both, no kidding!

Grazhopprr:       your human disections are leaving me blank tonight, lol

Wingsoligh:       Near deatH expiriance

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, "Near-Death Experience", with the tunnels and lights and dead people, etc.

Maotzz:     thanks

Bluelf5:    perhaps it is that but again maybe we make it harder by compilcating the process

NightPath: give you four nickels for your pare-a-dimes

Wingsoligh:       Has a stature and A ring of ganesh

Maotzz:     nice!

Grazhopprr:       complicating the process?,,,,,,lol,,,,,,go figure, seems to be a very late echo in here

Wingsoligh:       300 I had an nde

Wingsoligh:       I was 13

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, yes, you may take the simple path-- takes 10,000 lifetimes though

Wingsoligh:       I dont remeber much

Bluelf5:    children have been recorded as being in touch with all of this most frequently

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, wondeful!  Can you get back to it?

TESLA21058:       Blue, because adult dogma hasn't been cemented in yet?

Bluelf5:    I gues I must be at 9999 then

NSakha:     the remover of all blocks and lord shivas son

DCizunas:   3K, am I on the right track with saying that the triune make up of ourselves will bring this

Bluelf5:    yes tes

RochelleDo:       maybe one day, to go within and beyond the

RochelleDo:       expected routes...

Wingsoligh:       300 all I remeber Is going Into Darkness Then A tunnel

TESLA21058:       agreed Blue

Wingsoligh:        waiting In a light room

DCizunas:   if we focus on the entireness of the threefold parts

Grazhopprr:       a childs mind is a blank slate, easy to be spirit before the brain is log jammed

RBCF 3000: DCizunas, huh? 

Bluelf5:    lol

Wingsoligh:        And some one Telling Me I had to go Back and pushing me in my body

DCizunas:   3K, like lining up the mind, body spirit of our make up into all working together?

Galaxon:    that was probably me

TESLA21058:       Graz, I don't believe it's blank....I believe parents and

TESLA21058:       society erases the knowing as soon as they can *get in*

RochelleDo:       <--with Tesla on that

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, actually, that's one of the things we can

RBCF 3000: accomplish with these methods-- getting to the same

RBCF 3000: place as NDEs and other kinds of trances, deliberately!

Maotzz:     what is chilall?

RBCF 3000: DCizunas, absolutely-- but not just by declaring it so, right?

Grazhopprr:       i said mind, not spirit,,,,a child's mind hasn't been filled

DCizunas:   Right 3K, by actually experiencing it

GeorgeYim: 3000, meditation methods?

Wingsoligh:       I usualy go into trances While meditating

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RochelleDo:       the child is born whole and intact

Bluelf5:    child like sorry about my misspellings<english is my 2nd language

TESLA21058:       I understood that Graz

Maotzz:     Oh sorry .

Maotzz:     thougth it was a phrase maybe borrowed from another language

RBCF 3000: GeorgeYim, those are included, but we will get much

RBCF 3000: more proactive in converting our attention and

RBCF 3000: consciousness.

TESLA21058:       and I have a different viewpoint born out of experiencing my own children growing up

GeorgeYim: had figured it , blue

RochelleDo:       seems there is lots for all us childs to experience

NSakha:     maya maya the tower of bable get the mind still the lord is within

RBCF 3000: RochelleDo, I'm not so sure about that any more-- even

RBCF 3000: about "being born" in the first place!

RochelleDo:       3000, not even that we have everything within even

RochelleDo:       now?

RochelleDo:       waiting to be tapped?

RBCF 3000: RochelleDo, yes, we have everything within-- agreed!

Galaxon:    i prefer eventful dreams

TESLA21058:       we come in fully loaded IMO

GeorgeYim: 3000, was late so didn't get info on other approaches

RBCF 3000: GeorgeYim, tonight only ideas-- approaches next week.

RochelleDo:       LOL

DCizunas:   ITA Tesla

RochelleDo:       great way of putting it Tes

TESLA21058:       :::scratching head:::  ITA?

DCizunas:   Tesla...I totally agree

RochelleDo:       i totally agree

TESLA21058:       thanks DC

RBCF 3000: TESLA, yes, but also loaded with challenges and blocks as well, no?

TESLA21058:       gotta work on my chat slang 

Galaxon:    ITA=  it talks alot

RochelleDo:       ah, yeah, them as well, 3000

TESLA21058:       yes 3000...I mean fully!

RochelleDo:       shut up Galaxie

RochelleDo:       <g>

TESLA21058:       and I believe we chose them before coming...it's not random

Galaxon:    Rochelle hmm.

GeorgeYim: goodness, roch

DCizunas:   Once again, I agree Tesla

TESLA21058:       DC

Bluelf5:    well my"young" mind is full & my ole'soul is tired thanx for the brian teasing lol

RochelleDo:       <--begs pardon to Gal even tho I <g> ed

Grazhopprr:       yup,,,,,i can't get what i want to say across tonight, thatz ok,,,,,dunno schitz, heh

Galaxon:    rochelle hmmm.

RBCF 3000: Bluelf, well consider it done.

Maotzz:     yeah I was wondering that too George

Galaxon:    if i had to wait for news to come to me in letter like snailmail, i'd never get it

Bluelf5:    thanx 300 ur a good teacher I leave enlightened

Maotzz:     thank you 3000

RBCF 3000: Shucks

RBCF 3000: Ok, just a few more ideas to go tonight.  Back to

RBCF 3000: protocol, please. ................................

RBCF 3000: Now let us preview our discussion on the Nature of

RBCF 3000: Reality. One way that I like to describe it is as a "self-

RBCF 3000: reflexive 13-dimensional hologram." It fascinates me

RBCF 3000: that this also describes the human brain, as if the

RBCF 3000: entire Universe, all possibilities in all dimensions,

RBCF 3000: coexist internally.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Experience can also be described as a "discontinuous

RBCF 3000: array of frames of perspective"; this implies that it is

RBCF 3000: exactly and only the mind itself that assigns order and

RBCF 3000: causality to the aggregates of galumphs within the flux

RBCF 3000: of Chaos. It turns out that we can order these frames

RBCF 3000: in rather astonishing new ways.

Maotzz:     sounds like a definition of time

Planetshpr:       13???? dimensions???

RBCF 3000: It sort of is, Maotzz.

Maotzz:     oh okay

RBCF 3000: Planetshpr, I'm not sure about the exact number, but

RBCF 3000: it is more than the 11 that modern physics is using

RBCF 3000: now.

Planetshpr:       3K...  I'd like to hear more about that when you can work it in...

Galaxon:    13 dimensions?

Tamerri:    hello

DCizunas:   13 is a good number to use...mystical number

Galaxon:    666 is a better mystical number

DCizunas:   LOL Galax

Galaxon:    i vote for 666 dimeneions

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, science thinks that anything beyond four

RBCF 3000: dimensions have to be folded or rolled up to fit into our

RBCF 3000: ordinary world, but mystical tradition says just the

RBCF 3000: opposite.

TESLA21058:       <~~always thinks of Aprodites Child when I see those numbers <g>

Galaxon:    so what does it say?

RBCF 3000: ... That is, the Higher World fully exists UNrolled in its

RBCF 3000: own frame, and the ordinary world is just a bubble, or

RBCF 3000: series of bubbles, in it.

DCizunas:   I always look at the numbers used i.e. 3,7,13...prime numbers...mystics had something there

TESLA21058:       me too DC

DCizunas:   Tesla, we're on a roll!!

Maotzz:     6+6+6= 18=Chet yod = Life

RBCF 3000: DCizunas, I have been finding that it's better not to

RBCF 3000: get too involved in exact numbers and "facts", but to

RBCF 3000: keep the intuition wide open.

RochelleDo:       or as a tent unfolds to provide shelter...

Grazhopprr:       ideas is a good word for it

DCizunas:   3K, will do

Planetshpr:       18=9.  0.  the blank, all things possible.

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, did you know that's why matzahs have to be baked less than 19 minutes?

TESLA21058:       3000...seems i am always stuck with or choosing those 3 numbers

Maotzz:     lol 3000

TESLA21058:       I do everything in 3's  :\  must be that Tesla thing

RBCF 3000: TESLA, maybe it's a message to yourself.

Maotzz:     I had forgotten I've been told a reason

TESLA21058:       must be........

Maotzz:     I .. don't remember that being it :)

RBCF 3000: OK, NEXT IDEA-- PROTOCOL PLEASE ......................

RBCF 3000: Another feature of the Nature of Reality, of course as

RBCF 3000: yours truly sees it, is that all our potential for self-

RBCF 3000: completion, perfection, union, and grace in the

RBCF 3000: Miraculous, somehow entails a regression, as if we

RBCF 3000: were expected to run our life-movie backwards, right

RBCF 3000: up to where the movie projector explodes at the point

RBCF 3000: of our own conception.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: If we have done our Work, we can then assemble the

RBCF 3000: Eternal, the state of immortal Divinity, outside of time

RBCF 3000: and everything else which would have resulted from

RBCF 3000: our conception. I cannot describe it as it really is, for

RBCF 3000: if I could, I would already be there.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Here is how reality "proves" that it is self-reflexive (at

RBCF 3000: least, to my own satisfaction): everywhere I look, I

RBCF 3000: behold huge numbers of clues, reminders, maps, keys,

RBCF 3000: codes, synchronicities and serendipities that

RBCF 3000: continually illuminate my path, from religions to

RBCF 3000: quantum physics.

TESLA21058:       3k...so you believe we have to wade BACK through this

TESLA21058:       mess we call life to clean our closets?

RBCF 3000: TESLA, yes-- most of the mystical traditions have this

TESLA21058:       easier to spell cleaning closets  <g>

TESLA21058:       so reworking the past.....

TESLA21058:       to create a NOW

RBCF 3000: practice. Some call it recapitulation.

RBCF 3000: TESLA, yes, really, thoroughly cleaning ALL closets!

TESLA21058:       man, 3k...it stinks in there  LOL

RochelleDo:       as we are already there in the now, 3000?

RBCF 3000: RochelleDo, actually, *HERE* in the NOW!

Galaxon:    actually i was here yesterday, too

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Planetshpr:       ::nodding::...  you may be amused, 3000, that we call that "FREE-ality!"

RBCF 3000: Galaxon, I am *always* here "yesterday"!

Jewlcraft: 3000 is that why a lot of NDE's include that "life flashing before one's eyes"?

RBCF 3000: Jewlcraft, yes, but there it is hit-or-miss. We are

Maotzz:     I never thought of the recapitulation going in reverse ...

Maotzz:     how odd

Galaxon:    3000 i'll wait until tomorrow to see if you are still there

RBCF 3000: trying to make it intentional in these practices.

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, although that is what it means, isn't it?

Maotzz:     not sure

Maotzz:     that's what you say it is

TESLA21058:       so we can't *evolve* (get better) till we fix or attempt to understand past issues

Maotzz:     seems it would be confusing . though

Planetshpr:       NICEly said Tesla!!!

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, well, anyway, it is the practice that has been given me to do all my life.

Maotzz:     I can see reviewing it in the proper order

Alisnntrnt:       maybe just releasing them is enough...no need t know the why

Maotzz:     you .. do this every day .. look through your life in reverse?

TESLA21058:       Planetshpr  :)  good to see you BTW..SHUR says hi

RBCF 3000: TESLA, well, how *could* we, unless we are purified.

RBCF 3000: But why does our destiny need to be in the "future"??

Planetshpr:       (Cool!  Hi back!!)

TESLA21058:       3k...is isn't in the future, it is now!

RochelleDo:       we walk the path

RBCF 3000: TESLA, well, do we have everything we need right now, without doing anything?

Maotzz:     seems it would be more difficult because actions would have been done because

Maotzz:     of actions that preceeded them

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, sure-- I only know what I have already experienced, right?

TESLA21058:       only if we just want the body to exist 3k

Maotzz:     but you .. go in reverse?

RochelleDo:       or the ego?

RBCF 3000: TESLA, I am deleting the distinction among the bodies for this practice.

DCizunas:   Maotzz, maybe like looking at bulletin board on puter sites...you pick up the thread of....

TESLA21058:       if spirit is to evolve, with all components..we must look

TESLA21058:       into the past and try to create a future

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, in effect, yes.

Planetshpr:       3K ... good idea.

TESLA21058:       ahhh, ok 3k

Maotzz:     in effect

DCizunas:   ...one message and follow that through instead of reading everything chronologically

RBCF 3000: TESLA, except that each body processes a certain range of sentient energies, see?

TESLA21058:       3k..have you done time line therapy of NLP?

TESLA21058:       yes 3k...I see 

Maotzz:     DC .. i've tried that and I get confused

TESLA21058:       of=or

Lorinaz:    look at anything in the past and reverse it that is the key if u can do it

Maotzz:     cuz I have to see what the earlier posts said

RBCF 3000: TESLA, I'm pretty sure-- we covered all the major topics in my cert. class.

Maotzz:     to understand it

Lorinaz:    though medition

Maotzz:     OH I meant .. living in reverse

Maotzz:     you think i'm saying reverse your actions/

Maotzz:     ?

TESLA21058:       tlt is sure a gentle way to clean stuff out and up...so is wrems

DCizunas:   Exactly Maotzz, but you read only one thread at a time...not a whole bunch of different ones

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, OIC-- my practice is to live NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

Lorinaz:    both

TESLA21058:       agreed 3000

Maotzz:     and how the threads affect you now

Maotzz:     you try to fix

Maotzz:     if fixin is needed

RochelleDo:       <----has a looong way to go but has every intention of

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, in effect, it is like reversing my actions and decisions.

RochelleDo:       catching up one day....I hope.

Maotzz:     okay THAT i get

TESLA21058:       LOOK to past, but only look/visit...then BE now, create future

Maotzz:     okay TESLA I got it now

Planetshpr:       3000, the way I GET to the NOW is to identify effects issues (ie, past history storied in ti

RBCF 3000: TESLA, well spoken, dude! 

Planetshpr:       ssue) and HEAL those.

Maotzz:     I thought he was like running a movie of his life in reverse

Lorinaz:    past future and NOW ARE  one

Maotzz:     and I coudln't figure out what good that is

TESLA21058:       <~~dudette 

Planetshpr:       this is actually a LOT less conceptual and more practical than it sounds.

Maotzz:     okay thanks for explaining

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, there is an interesting book by Piers Anthony,

RBCF 3000: called "Bearing an Hourglass" about the incarnation of

RBCF 3000: immortality who exists backwards in time.

Maotzz:     uh oh .. you DID mean living in reverse?

So so Rus: is that tarot chat over?

Maotzz:     backwards in time

Maotzz:     yes So so an hour and half ago

DCizunas:   Wow, that sounds like the guys from Ork..remember when Robin W. gave birth to Jonathan Winte

DCizunas:   rs...LOL!!

RBCF 3000: Planetshpr, right-- it has to be done that way,

RBCF 3000: although I find that we can't just *decide* to heal

RBCF 3000: each item-- it takes strong forces like in NDEs, no?

Maotzz:     LOL DC

Maotzz:     yes!

Planetshpr:       NOT my experience, 3000!!!!!

Planetshpr:       I have a MUCH easier way.

So so Rus: might some one define mystical cousciousness?

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, yes, we are already concluding the next class in ecstatic awareness.

So so Rus: y do i never relate to say of this stuff

So so Rus: oic its an ongoing thange

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, we did at the beginning-0- you can have a copy of the logue, if you want.

So so Rus: no thats ok 3k

Alisnntrnt:       share Planet? what way is easier?

Planetshpr:       Alisn...  I will discuss with 3000... his class .. and perhaps we can incorporate in a future class.

RBCF 3000: We will spend some time examining how the paradoxes

RBCF 3000: that are being revealed can be best explained in the

RBCF 3000: dimensions of Consciousness. It is as if I myself had

RBCF 3000: placed the features of my reality just exactly for me to

RBCF 3000: find them!

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: In parallel, we will preview some of the features of the

RBCF 3000: supernatural; that is, the landscape of the Second

RBCF 3000: Attention, which means the inner landscape. There

RBCF 3000: (here?) we will find angels, demons, ETs, ghosts,

RBCF 3000: elves, spirits and, most bewilderingly, features of our

RBCF 3000: own selves that we could not conceive of, but which

RBCF 3000: are sitting there in front of us incontrovertably!

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Finally, we will end up this course with discovering

RBCF 3000: what Presence-in-the-Now really looks, feels, sounds

RBCF 3000: and tastes like, and how our individual Death is the

RBCF 3000: only way to get there. Please believe me that this has

RBCF 3000: absolutely no connection to anything you might have

RBCF 3000: learned in Sunday school! 

RBCF 3000: .

TESLA21058:       sounds marvy 3000...

RBCF 3000: ****** Well, friends, those are the ideas that I

RBCF 3000: wanted you to start thinking about.  Now let's hear

RBCF 3000: *your* ideas.

RBCF 3000: Next week: a run-down of the principle methods and

RBCF 3000: techniques used for attaining Ecstatic Awareness.

RBCF 3000: These will become your daily homework assignments,

RBCF 3000: should you choose to accept.  Thank you all for

RBCF 3000: wondering with us today.

RBCF 3000: **** Ready for your ideas and questions...

Meemoe:     the IMAGINATION

Meemoe:     the Workings of th einner child

Maotzz:     Daily?

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, hourly, really

Maotzz:     omg

Maotzz:     lol

RochelleDo:       I welcome homework if it allows me more

LRomano757:       is there gonna be an astral projection??

Maotzz:     oh you don't teacah every day

Maotzz:     okay

Maotzz:     i'm off on tangents

Maotzz:     sheesh

RBCF Arwen:       {{{{{3000}}}}}

Maotzz:     thank you 3000

RBCF 3000: Maotzz, actually, I *do* teach every day, but not here.

Maotzz:     thank you Arwen

Maotzz:     don't confuse me 3000

Maotzz:     I confuse VERY easily

Meemoe:     Why are we So relient on these types of tools methods etc.?

RochelleDo:       great to have been here tonight, 3000, thank you

TESLA21058:       goodnight everyone...gentle dreams

RochelleDo:       cheers Tesla:))))

Maotzz:     niters all~~~

Meemoe:     they Are part Of the Expectation

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Meemoe:     Not simply the experiance of it

Meemoe:     Come what May

Meemoe:     or december LOL

Maotzz:     <?>

RochelleDo:       all in good time I spose

RBCF 3000: :::: bows humbly ::::

Lorinaz:    thank you 3000

Maotzz:     oh well . niters

DCizunas:   Tesla....and to you...glad to have touched in with you tonite

Meemoe:     Within th eHeart Of Man Lies An imagination Of what ever is So GOD AS

DCizunas:   3K, sounds like an interesting class coming up...glad I could listen

Meemoe:     Some see Stepples Some See Bells Fairys And the Blair witch Haahaaa

Meemoe:     Tool that unlock ones imagination into What Might have been And Might be still

RBCF 3000: Ok, see you all Thursday, then next Monday.  Thanks

RBCF 3000: for all your great ideas!  Good night.