Ecstatic Awareness Class 10

"What Kind of Being are We?"


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RBCF 3000: Good evening dear friends.

RBCF Heart: Namaste' 3000

RBCF Heart:

RBCF 3000: Welcome, everyone. Tonight is our tenth class in

RBCF 3000: Ecstatic Awareness: "What kind of Being are

RBCF 3000: we? Is it possible we've been missing most of

RBCF 3000: it?" Once again, for those who are joining us for

RBCF 3000: the first time, the way we are using the word

RBCF 3000: "ecstatic" here means entering into

RBCF 3000: states of consciousness, accompanied by

RBCF 3000: transformation of being, in which the

RBCF 3000: supernatural and the Miraculous can be witnessed

RBCF 3000: and experienced directly.

RBCF 3000:

RBCF 3000: For this session, we'll be on "informal protocol", which is

RBCF 3000: that you just let me roll out an idea at a time, and then I'll

RBCF 3000: re-open the floor every few minutes, ok?

BeadBaron: hi room, what is subject?

RBCF Heart: Welcome to the New Age chat room.

RBCF Heart: Tonight is our 10th class in Ecstatic

RBCF Heart: Awareness: What kind of Being are we? Is

RBCF Heart: it possible we've been missing most of

RBCF Heart: it?" We have semi-protocol, please hold

RBCF Heart: questions/comments till the floor is opened.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Before we begin tonight's lesson, I'll recap the exercises

RBCF 3000: and practices we've been working on. These include

RBCF 3000: stopping the internal dialogue; listening, tasting and feeling

RBCF 3000: on deep, synaesthesic levels; dream and trance work;

RBCF 3000: and consistent meditations of different kinds. Let's hear

RBCF 3000: what you've been finding with these -- please go right

RBCF 3000: ahead now ..............

Havensource: Broad indeed. please elaborate.

RBCF 3000: <-- has been meditating on music and in silence; working with dreams, etc.

DonaldandAmanda: would you be talking about our 6th sense?

RBCF 3000: DonaldandAmanda, I count a lot more than six of them,

Havensource: Oh, little stuff. No, genuinely, where to begin?

RBCF 3000: but really, this is about expanding our whole awareness.

DonaldandAmanda: been there done that

RBCF 3000: DonaldandAmanda, I doubt if you've done some of the

RBCF 3000: things we're getting to, for sure, you betcha, uh huh

Havensource: This is unlimited. is there a hypothetical starting point?

DonaldandAmanda: please never assume

RBCF 3000: Havensource, sure-- we're going to be focusing tonight on

RBCF 3000: what the Self could be. Step by step, if you will.

RBCF 3000: Ok, friends, let's begin tonight's class ...................

RBCF 3000: Can you remember when your current self-image

RBCF 3000: was installed? Do you remember how you saw

RBCF 3000: everything before all these filters were set in

RBCF 3000: place? By "filters," I am referring to

RBCF 3000: everything that you "know" (in terms

RBCF 3000: of categories or labels) about everyone and

RBCF 3000: everything that you encounter.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Every society on earth "socializes" or

RBCF 3000: indoctrinates its young to filter out everything but

RBCF 3000: the reality that it considers normal, and this

RBCF 3000: occurs to such an extent that we will claim that

RBCF 3000: whole ranges of events cannot happen and do

RBCF 3000: not occur, and that whoever claims to the

RBCF 3000: contrary is "crazy" or at least

RBCF 3000: disagreeable.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: This observation readily explains at least one

RBCF 3000: level of miracle, and that is whenever we cannot

RBCF 3000: avoid witnessing something outside of our set

RBCF 3000: categories. Most brilliant discoveries have been

RBCF 3000: ridiculed, when first they were proposed, for this

RBCF 3000: very reason.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: But the thing that is the very hardest for us to see

RBCF 3000: and know, is our self. We are locked into an

RBCF 3000: extremely delusional self-image. True, we can

RBCF 3000: see and judge the very same traits as ourselves

RBCF 3000: in other people, and we can give lip-service to

RBCF 3000: what people tell us about ourselves, especially if

RBCF 3000: they are our bosses or otherwise have influence

RBCF 3000: over us.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: People who have been to therapy or encounter

RBCF 3000: groups also "know all

RBCF 3000: about themselves," at least to hear them tell

RBCF 3000: it, but these may be the most delusional (and I

RBCF 3000: have to include myself in this group) -- with all

RBCF 3000: that we know about ourselves, we still have the

RBCF 3000: same obnoxious traits as before, but now we

RBCF 3000: annoy everyone with our explanations about

RBCF 3000: them.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: But will we really know ourselves if we could "see

RBCF 3000: ourselves as others see us"? I'd say that all we

RBCF 3000: would "know", then is what we are all projecting

RBCF 3000: onto each other, and our lives would be just as

RBCF 3000: suffocated with full-time considerations as they

RBCF 3000: are now.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: What I am saying is that we never really know

RBCF 3000: how we look, but we make up stories about what

RBCF 3000: people's expressions and responses to us

RBCF 3000: mean, often at huge deviation from what they

RBCF 3000: would say if we actually asked them, and if they

RBCF 3000: were themselves free enough of consideration to

RBCF 3000: actually tell us the truth.

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RBCF 3000: ******** Let's stop here and find out if any of you

RBCF 3000: have observed our enslavement to socialization,

RBCF 3000: and how much of our time and energy is

RBCF 3000: spent wondering "what they think of

RBCF 3000: me." Go right ahead now, please --

RBCF 3000: openfloor .........

Sunglo001: we couldn't possibly know ourselves from others opinions.. they have their own filters

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, did my last statement address your comment adequately?

Havensource: Is it our current life experiences that tell us? Is it our Old Soul deep within that speaks?

Havensource: It takes years to listen for their answers.

Havensource: to learn to understand them

RBCF 3000: Havensource, decades, I find, actually.

Sunglo001: 3k ~ I think it did. But I agree that although we do tend to spend way too much

Sunglo001: time wondering what other people think, it is necessary to act w/o

Sunglo001: compromise to our own beliefs.

Havensource: Can we even attempt a time measurement? Oh, but thats a whole other discussion

RT Alix: too much time thinking in wrong direction due to societal demands, yes

Sunglo001: Am I following this thought correctly?

Akha Apim Iatiba: There are always rules of us to follow

Havensource: Don't we learn the most when we are removed from ourselves, and look from the outside.

Sunglo001: haven ~ I look within

Havensource: Or is that when we are really the closest to ourselves?

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, we'll be getting to the issue of beliefs more,

RBCF 3000: although we talked about it in some detail last week.

Sunglo001: I'm not really discussing my beliefs.. I'm just saying that what I think others might

Sunglo001: think of me can not allow me to compromise myself.

RT Alix: solitude relinquishes societal demands

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, basically, we were addressing how beliefs are

RBCF 3000: packages that we've subscribed to, and some of tonight's

RBCF 3000: class will address that more.

Sunglo001: oh.. I'm on the outside looking in.. sorry. :))

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, and I am suggesting that we, as we find

RBCF 3000: ourselves, have no way of NOT compromising our

Havensource: My thoughts were cast adrift in all the distractions

RBCF 3000: integrity, until we make a few "adjustments" that is

Sunglo001: okey doke


RBCF 3000: Havensource, well, we should be getting on track presently

Havensource: Uniform, but reassuring

RBCF 3000: Let us now continue along with tonight's subject --

RBCF 3000: please hold comments for a minute, until I can

RBCF 3000: roll out the next idea ... thanks

RBCF 3000: ...............................................................

RBCF 3000: Now let us imagine a world in which no one is

RBCF 3000: telling us who we are, and in which none of us

RBCF 3000: tells another who we *think* we are; a world in

RBCF 3000: which we cannot separate ourselves from each

RBCF 3000: other by judgment nor by "winning" or "losing",

RBCF 3000: nor by being "right" about anything.

RBCF 3000: We would be transparent to each other then,

RBCF 3000: wouldn't we? And we would feel all of our shame

RBCF 3000: and remorse for all the lies, deceits and

RBCF 3000: compromises we have ever made; not the guilt

RBCF 3000: and self-loathing that we have been taught as a

RBCF 3000: means of conforming to the "rules" of our "reality,"

RBCF 3000: but totally honest reckoning of the soul, the kind

RBCF 3000: that heals us and frees us.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Does it take "somebody else" to allow us to do

RBCF 3000: this, to give us "permission" to be quiet inside,

RBCF 3000: vigilant over the quality of ourthoughts and

RBCF 3000: feelings? Does this mean not to express our

RBCF 3000: "true feelings"? That would imply that we know

RBCF 3000: what they are, that we know ourselves, right?

RBCF 3000: .

Havensource: It must be a joint effort.

Radiant Hope: I missed something important.....

Akha Apim Iatiba: 3000, you touch so many issues at once

WaynePsych: Well, in my own experience I have found that the righter I am about how people 'are',

WaynePsych: the more my ego limits how they can show up for me.

Akha Apim Iatiba: 3000 we do not need the permission of anyone of go inside and find the boundless state that

Akha Apim Iatiba: we really are

Dolly Destiny1: to know what others think of us is not the real person we are. It is their project, not ours

WaynePsych: and I for them I suspect.

Spiritlife118841: that true....if my ego judgement gets in the view is fogged up

Akha Apim Iatiba: hummmm I see

Radiant Hope: 3000......for the poor soul that missed the topic before the mega-scroll.....what is it you

Radiant Hope: are looking at?

RBCF 3000: Yes, you are all correct, and yet we need to put this all

RBCF 3000: into perspective, so allow me to continue a little longer --

RBCF 3000: just another minute ....................

Spiritlife118841: if i am what i came here to be...then any other judgment is not my truth

Sunglo001: My parents gave me a certain perception.. my teachers gave me a certain perception.. I

Sunglo001: bought into those for a while.. and then I discarded them.

RBCF 3000: Ok please hold comments for another minute now

RBCF 3000: ........................................................

RBCF 3000: But my dear friends, long ago some sleazy

RBCF 3000: merchant sold us a worthless package, and we

RBCF 3000: bought it at far too high a price. This package

RBCF 3000: contains "self-awareness", our "feelings", "free

RBCF 3000: will", our "humanity" and "honor" and "immortal

RBCF 3000: soul," but all the while we have been sheep

RBCF 3000: waiting to be sheared -- we have never, ever

RBCF 3000: checked our package, our assumptions.

RBCF 3000: .

Akha Apim Iatiba: that is true 3000

RBCF 3000: Of course all those things are the worthy traits of

RBCF 3000: a human being, but did we earn them merely by

RBCF 3000: having been born, or perhaps by suffering

RBCF 3000: enough years of living lives empty of any real

RBCF 3000: meaning. Is such meaning the result of our

RBCF 3000: "accomplishments," or is it conferred upon us

RBCF 3000: like a diploma? Or perhaps, like citizenship, just

RBCF 3000: by virtue of having been born here.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: In the end, don't we deteriorate ignominously and

RBCF 3000: die like stray dogs, never knowing why we are

RBCF 3000: really here, nor what we truly *are*, nor what

RBCF 3000: wonders we could have witnessed and

RBCF 3000: achieved? Didn't we all believe in wonders and

RBCF 3000: magic as children? When were we "disabused"

RBCF 3000: of such "nonsense"?

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RBCF 3000: Well, friends, here we are. I neither know enough,

RBCF 3000: nor have enough strength, courage and *will* to

RBCF 3000: achieve what apparently only very few people

RBCF 3000: in history have accomplished, and that is the very

RBCF 3000: personification of those traits we assumed

RBCF 3000: without earning them, or at least without

RBCF 3000: investigating whether they applied to ourselves.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: But none of that can matter now; there is no

RBCF 3000: going back, no room for self-pity or cowardice,

RBCF 3000: nor for any assumptions of self-aggrandizement.

RBCF 3000: There is only the journey that I have begun, and

RBCF 3000: the remotest possibility that I can reach

RBCF 3000: my destination.

RBCF 3000: .

Akha Apim Iatiba: I understood what you were saying 3000

WaynePsych: But thoughts about who we are just thoughts; that's all. To be witnessed with equanimity.

RT Alix: well-said 3000

RBCF 3000: And that destination is worth absolutely

RBCF 3000: *everything*! For there, at the crossings of all that

RBCF 3000: I am, are all possibilities, just exactly as

RBCF 3000: promised. That is where I am, and that is where

RBCF 3000: God is -- not some dogmatic idea of a "god", but

RBCF 3000: just exactly the totality of all my possibilities,

RBCF 3000: embraced all at once in perfect Love.

RBCF 3000: .

Akha Apim Iatiba: What you say you feel 3000 and you are right

BeadBaron: This sounds like pseudo-intellect to mw, what is the point?

Akha Apim Iatiba: I understand what you are doing

RBCF 3000: Thanks-- there is just a little more of this idea, and then

RBCF 3000: we can talk freely. Thanks for your patience.

RBCF 3000: But I must not know what that looks like, nor

RBCF 3000: anything that I can package neatly, because then

RBCF 3000: it would again be only partial, petty and unworthy.

RBCF 3000: I have to arrange the meeting of all that I am as

RBCF 3000: the most humble beggar, with not the slightest

RBCF 3000: crumb of pride left in me, because any pride at

RBCF 3000: all would cheat me of my prize -- wholeness,

RBCF 3000: consciousness and permanence.

RBCF 3000: .

Akha Apim Iatiba: hummmm I understand

RBCF 3000: It matters not the slightest that I "know" myself as

RBCF 3000: an arrogant, self-absorbed pig, or whatever

RBCF 3000: labels I have stuck all over myself, because all

RBCF 3000: that is only rust and crud covering over

RBCF 3000: something that shines and vibrates with the most

RBCF 3000: exquisite passion of life.

RBCF 3000: .

RT Alix: this is not "pseudo" intelligence my friend, this is passion

WaynePsych: I think RBCF you're trying to point to something that really cannot be conveyed in words?

Akha Apim Iatiba: This is channeling feelings from another dimension

Sunglo001: The problem is, if you believe the labels you have stuck all over yourself, you are going to

Sunglo001: have a hard time seeing that which is underneath.

RBCF 3000: WaynePsych, well, at least not in ONLY words

WaynePsych: <nods>

Dolly Destiny1: wow! "humble beggar, with not the slightest crumb of pride left in me" that is really bad!!!

RBCF 3000: Akha Apim Iatiba, I do a lot of channeling for this material, yes.

RBCF 3000: Dolly Destiny, you like?

Akha Apim Iatiba: yes:))

Akha Apim Iatiba: I understand

Akha Apim Iatiba: and you are brave to do so

Bitsty: Who do you channel RBCF3000?

Dolly Destiny1: one should take pride in one self. one should honor oneself. not act like a lowly dog!!

RBCF 3000: One more paragraph to this idea, then let's talk-- hang on

RBCF 3000: a second ..............................................

Akha Apim Iatiba: one must allow oneself to be laughed at and judged to do what one feels is right

RBCF 3000: We are told that we can never change the form of

RBCF 3000: our crud, nor its "qualities", but we can certainly

RBCF 3000: burnish and anoint everything that is underneath

RBCF 3000: it. In the schools at which I have studied, they call

RBCF 3000: the outer crud, the "personality" or the "first ring

RBCF 3000: of power" and they call what is underneath, the

RBCF 3000: "essence", which takes on the "second ring of

RBCF 3000: power" or "self-remembering" only if it is capable

RBCF 3000: of being cleansed and adjusted correctly.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: ******** At this point, it would be wonderful to

RBCF 3000: hear from you about how you distinguish between

RBCF 3000: what is false in yourself, and what is properly

RBCF 3000: yours -- what you *are*. Please go right ahead

RBCF 3000: now

Akha Apim Iatiba: Any thought or emotion that is negative is not us

Akha Apim Iatiba: we are all the Infinite Mind Appearing

Akha Apim Iatiba: we have the power to release all that covers us

Akha Apim Iatiba: but only a few know this yet

WaynePsych: My reactions (images inner talk) are NOT who I am.

Akha Apim Iatiba: more us of awaken every moment

RT Alix: how many "layers" might we have?

WaynePsych: God (lol) knows!

Akha Apim Iatiba: We are the sky thinking we are the clouds

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, good question-- I keep finding more, every time I

RBCF 3000: go in. How many have you found so far?

RT Alix: 2

Sunglo001: interesting way to put it, Akha

Kirstenese: :) good anology, Akha

Akha Apim Iatiba: we are the white in this room thinking we are the print

WaynePsych: Thumbs up AAI!

RBCF 3000: Akha Apim Iatiba, do you remember the story about the

RBCF 3000: Mahabrahma deciding that he is still the humble pilgrim,

RBCF 3000: as well as the goat?

Kirstenese: I think that's 3k's point

Akha Apim Iatiba: yep

Akha Apim Iatiba: look at the white behind the print

RBCF 3000: (Sorry I told the punch line of that story first

Sunglo001: lol ~ 3k.. thanx alot!

Dolly Destiny1: why create in others to feel less of a human then they are? best to create higher ideals

RT Alix: i am on my third

RBCF 3000: Dolly Destiny, please explain...

Sunglo001: for me... looking within is like looking into a prizm.

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Akha Apim Iatiba: that is interesting Sun

Akha Apim Iatiba: what do you see?

Akha Apim Iatiba: many colors?

Sunglo001: Akha ~ parts of me... creating a whole.

Dolly Destiny1: no explaining needed. why create in others to be holy one must be lowly?

Akha Apim Iatiba: cool

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, prism is a good analogy-- how about a holographic prism, in 11 dimensions?

Sunglo001: I don't know how many dimensions there are, 3K.

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, me neither


Dolly Destiny1: why not be the best human you can be and kick the door open to high ideals?

RBCF 3000: Akha Apim Iatiba, don't you see more than all

RBCF 3000: those splendid colors too? Till we can't even tell

RBCF 3000: what senses they are coming in on?

Sunglo001: that's why you feel there are more than just 6, right, 3K?

DCizunas: Dolly, maybe the lowly part stressed just means that no one should get a swelled head about

DCizunas: their progress

Dolly Destiny1: why not? we earned it

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, yes, from a personal experience POV, and

RBCF 3000: now modern physics thinks it can describe all

RBCF 3000: reality with eleven dimensions.

Sunglo001: 3k ~ that's limitation.. I believe it goes beyond that.

DCizunas: Dolly, we may gain some ground, but have more to cover than we ever could

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, Oh, I quite KNOW that it does, as you do obviously

Dolly Destiny1: take pride in ourself for our progress in life, we earned it. Honor ourself is good.

Sunglo001: But I don't know what a POV is, and I don't know a thing about physics.. modern or otherwise

Sunglo001: :))

WaynePsych: The problem is is that modern physics looks with the "eye of flesh" empiricism rather than

WaynePsych: the "eye of contemplation."

RBCF 3000: Sunglo, Point of View. Take a look at least

RBCF 3000: week's class logue for my own summary of modern

RBCF 3000: physics principles, if you will-- it's in New Age

RBCF 3000: Library II.

Dolly Destiny1: science said there could be 21+ dimensions.

Sunglo001: ok

RBCF 3000: WaynePsych, that's for sure, and they also don't

RBCF 3000: know what they are looking for, which the mystic

RBCF 3000: and the saint do.

RT Alix: sorry i recounted, i am in 5

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, five what?

RT Alix: working on 5

Sunglo001: levels

RT Alix: dimensions

RT Alix: levels

RT Alix: pictures, lol

RT Alix: visions

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, stick with us then-- we'll get to a lot more levels

RT Alix: wow

RBCF 3000: Ok, friends-- I have just one more idea to

RBCF 3000: complete tonight's discourse, and then we can

RBCF 3000: completely open the floor up. So please hang on

RBCF 3000: for a minute ......................................

RBCF 3000: Splendid, my comrades! Now let us plow forward

RBCF 3000: with the exciting conclusion of tonight's agenda.

RBCF 3000: Please, once again, hold comments until I can

RBCF 3000: complete this last major idea.

RBCF 3000: ............................................................

RBCF 3000: So far, in our discussion of the underlying nature

RBCF 3000: of the Self, of Being, we have mostly spoken of

RBCF 3000: what it is not, or at least what it should not be.

RBCF 3000: Now let us look at what the saints, prophets,

RBCF 3000: mystics, sorcerers, magicians and shamans

RBCF 3000: have seen, and then "reported" to us in so many

RBCF 3000: different ways.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: It would be fair to ask, "Why are the reports

RBCF 3000: always so metaphorical, so full of fantasy and

RBCF 3000: allusion? Why all the secrecy and mumbo-

RBCF 3000: jumbo? Why are we asked to believe in invisible

RBCF 3000: beings that are supposed to run everything?"

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: In the words of the proverbial rabbi, "Let me tell

RBCF 3000: you a story about that ..." Those of us who have

RBCF 3000: dogs know that most dogs are not very aware of

RBCF 3000: the connection between their leash and the fact

RBCF 3000: that they are choking on it, even if their signal that

RBCF 3000: they want a walk is to bring you the leash.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Similarly, the secret of cat toys is that cats don't

StarBorn22: so have we figured out what type of being we are?

RBCF 3000: have enough attention to be aware of both the

RBCF 3000: wire and the fuzzy thing shaking at the end of it.

RBCF 3000: Well, it's the same with us. The "supernatural" is

RBCF 3000: not really hidden from us, and the Unconscious is

RBCF 3000: not really unconscious, but we just don't have

RBCF 3000: enough energy and attention to focus on it. All

RBCF 3000: scripture and mythology have pointed to this.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: So my gift to you would be to show you how the

RBCF 3000: Unconscious, the Supernatural, and the Cosmos-

RBCF 3000: - and, indeed, even God -- are all in the same

RBCF 3000: direction on the path we are taking up a fairly

RBCF 3000: steep mountain. It appears to us as a climb uphill

RBCF 3000: because each step we take on it requires more

RBCF 3000: energy, more attention, more vigilance, more

RBCF 3000: inner silence and more wholeness.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: So now, here we are at the very top of the

RBCF 3000: mountain, where the bush burns unconsumed,

RBCF 3000: where the sun and the moon change places in

RBCF 3000: the sky, where the rivers run backwards, where

RBCF 3000: the heavenly hosts are gathered -- whatever

RBCF 3000: images appeal to you are fine, as long as we

RBCF 3000: remember that they are just place-holders,

RBCF 3000: reminders that we are trying to apprehend

RBCF 3000: something beyond cat-and-dog consciousness.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Here we see and feel directly that everything is

RBCF 3000: one; know directly the consequences of every

RBCF 3000: decision we have ever made. Here it is right

RBCF 3000: before our very eyes that there is no external

RBCF 3000: universe, no separation, no beginning, no end,

RBCF 3000: no "individuality" the way we had supposed.

RBCF 3000: .

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RBCF 3000: Here the Self is formless except for its

RBCF 3000: projections and reflections, as if in a holographic

RBCF 3000: mirror of fifteen or however-many dimensions it

RBCF 3000: takes to connect everything that ever-was,

RBCF 3000: ever-will-be, altogether in a single moment.

RBCF 3000: .

RBCF 3000: Perhaps you noticed that I didn't really answer

RBCF 3000: the question of what the Self really is, what

RBCF 3000: existence truly embraces, nor the meaning of life.

RBCF 3000: Someone can point us in a direction, but in the

RBCF 3000: end, we each have to go there and witness for

RBCF 3000: ourselves. This is what religion and science were

RBCF 3000: supposed to do for us, and maybe they still can

RBCF 3000: help, if they are taken with the original intention.

RBCF 3000: .

Wingsoligh: That was my point 3000

Frtzzmon: on the border 3000

RBCF 3000: I shall leave you now with an image that I have

RBCF 3000: gotten of what my own Real Self "looks" like, but

RBCF 3000: this will be different for each of you. I see an

RBCF 3000: inside-out Being with 15 heads, 50 arms,

RBCF 3000: goddesses coming out the top of my spine, a

RBCF 3000: forest of flowers coming out the top of my head,

RBCF 3000: exploded into 1,000 emanations of insistences

RBCF 3000: in 12 dimensions,

RBCF 3000: but collecting into one place at a single instant,

RBCF 3000: all worlds, all futures and all consciousnesses;

RBCF 3000: feeling all at once all the passion and sadness

RBCF 3000: and ecstatic joy and terror and madness and

RBCF 3000: fulfillment of Existence, in a perfect center of

RBCF 3000: Peace in the devastating current of simultaneous

RBCF 3000: creation/ destruction of the universe. But that's

RBCF 3000: just me.

RBCF 3000: ****** Well, friends, those are the ideas that I'd

RBCF 3000: like you to think about for yourselves. Now let's

RBCF 3000: hear your questions and comments.

Wingsoligh: Ok road runner coyote Spirituality It has a point

Wingsoligh: The road runner Is god

Wingsoligh: The Higher power

Wingsoligh: The coyote is us

Wingsoligh: We are trying to always seek and hunt for knowledge

StarBorn22: wings,,, that means the joke is on us

Wingsoligh: If you will 3000 alice In wonderland: Another analogy

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, of course-- I am sure that is exactly what

RBCF 3000: Lewis Carroll was trying to portray.

RT Alix: Question 3000: what do you surmise about Alex Crowley?

Kirstenese: 3k, about "no individuality the way we had supposed"

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, in what respect (I am working with his Tarot, BTW)

Kirstenese: what exactly do you mean?

RT Alix: was that insanity?

Wingsoligh: Lewis carol illustrates The spirit and The body

Wingsoligh: The girl has an obe

RBCF 3000: Kirstenese, we find a completely unexplainable sense of

RBCF 3000: Self, but it has nothing to do with any of our old

RBCF 3000: categories...

Wingsoligh: Alice soon finds Her fears and relates to her subconscious

RBCF 3000: Kirstenese, ... like "self-awareness", "self-authority", "ambition", "love", etc.

Frtzzmon: 3k you're great keep looking

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, any of this work looks like insanity to the ordinary

RBCF 3000: world, and I can hardly say that I am NOT insane, even

RBCF 3000: from my own point of view; so I have to give Crowley the

RBCF 3000: benefit, eh?

Wingsoligh: I hate to say This but cartoons Truly also have a mystical and spiritual side

RBCF 3000: Frtzzmon, thanks-- it's intense and dangerous, but I feel

RBCF 3000: like I am finally starting to get somewhere.

RT Alix: lol

WaynePsych: Categories in themselves are "the known", if we fall ino that trap we wind up creating a

Wingsoligh: Philosophical

Frtzzmon: you're there, dude -- chill

WaynePsych: Creator, which cannot be IT.

RBCF 3000: Frtzzmon, good point.

Wingsoligh: witch we have created

RT Alix: i found his "insanities" uncomfortable

Meemoe: And Warlocks too

RBCF 3000: WaynePsych, quite so-- isn't that what our whole society keeps doing?

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, I used to, till I became more insane myself

Frtzzmon: thanks 3k you put a professional sprit to this room

WaynePsych: Yeah look at our presidential candidates lol


RT Alix: threw the book out!

RBCF 3000: Rright. I also quite fancy Camille Claudelle,

RBCF 3000: the sculptress, who spent the last 30 years of her life in

RBCF 3000: an asylum.

Wingsoligh: alister Crawley has Indeed a very very dark side

RT Alix: will look her up!

RT Alix: 30 wow!

RBCF 3000: Frtzzmon, really? I'm glad.

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, there's a great movie about her, with Isabelle

RBCF 3000: Adjani-- she was Rodin's mistress for a while.

Wingsoligh: the one with Carlos Castaneda

RBCF 3000: (Next week: "What is it that psychically

RBCF 3000: connects us to everything? Can we gain

RBCF 3000: control over it?" Please continue whatever

RBCF 3000: daily practices you are doing -- we'll be using

RBCF 3000: everything that results from them.)

Wingsoligh: his vew of The cosmos Was surreal

WaynePsych: Amen! Well done RBCF!

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, I think it is Castaneda who had all the

RBCF 3000: darkness in him-- don Juan and don Genaro were

RBCF 3000: impeccable. Although Silvio Manuel was pretty dark...

Wingsoligh: Verry vusioal Spiritual person

RT Alix: couldn't relate to any depth with carlos

Frtzzmon: carlos was kinda a weak at times

RBCF 3000: WaynePsych, thanks, but I'm not leaving quite yet

RBCF 3000: Frtzzmon, I was a bit disappointed when I finally met him.

Wingsoligh: Well carlos did allot of peyote

Wingsoligh: to Find His visions

WaynePsych: lol! Sorry popped back into my reactions.

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, I don't think so-- don Juan wanted him to do a lot more of it.

Wingsoligh: some say It was madness That drove Him

Wingsoligh: who is don juan, The lover

Wingsoligh: or his teacher

Meemoe: Did any of you listen to art bell Last Night There Was Some Guy talking About

Dolly Destiny1: past history has shown those with psychic abilities was placed in in asylums.

Frtzzmon: have you heard of michael roades he wote getting there and a trilogy as well

Meemoe: This Book On How there really Is a satanic force and How it All IS Perdestend And

WaynePsych: Or burnt at the stake

Wingsoligh: dolly I am psychic and sometimes I feel I am mad

Meemoe: It really just brought Mee Back to Feeling Things Aren't truly As So Many see It

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, Castaneda's main teacher.

Dolly Destiny1: it was done because they didn't understand the human race of evolving

Orange marble: I listened for just a minute Meemoe

Meemoe: Its So Opposit

Orange marble: wasn't for me I guess

Meemoe: Like Christians Are The Debil

Log Count: There were 17 member(s) in The New Age at 08:45 PM

Wingsoligh: ahhh

Meemoe: And Telepathy Isnt Some evil Force

Meemoe: Of Asatan

Meemoe: the Whole Perconseptions We hold

Meemoe: About the Dark SIDE LOL

Meemoe: Theres Light IN that

Orange marble: I agree Meemoe

RBCF 3000: Meemoe, why do you suppose the "christians" are so

RBCF 3000: afraid of psy power, when they believe in prophecy so

RBCF 3000: much?

Wingsoligh: mee of corce not My god I have been telepathic sense I was 14

Meemoe: exactly

Dolly Destiny1: wingssoligh, if you are really psychic you would NOT feel insane. You would know different

Meemoe: the Contradictions

Wingsoligh: feels somtimes Like I am loosing it

Frtzzmon: on the border

RBCF 3000: Dolly Destiny, most psychics and channels that I know

RBCF 3000: (hundreds of 'em!) are pretty nutty!

Meemoe: Just Like I was Brought Up In the "CHURCH"

Orange marble: meemo did you hear Dr Bruce Goldberg on Art Bell a while back?

Orange marble: talking about dimensions?

Meemoe: and The One Thing They Always Would Say Is That satan Mixes A little Truth With lies

Dolly Destiny1: 3000 some are false also, but the real psychic know different.

RBCF 3000: Wingsoligh, then I think you must be doing it right!

RT Alix: unconsciousness would be the alternative Wing

Meemoe: And That What i See Them Doing More Than those The Point The Finger AT

WaynePsych: You had to couch it very carefully like Teresa of Avila; would float to the ceiling and had

Meemoe: Its Just So Silly

WaynePsych: pulled down gently by other nuns.

Wingsoligh: Well I know One he is extremely sweet But quite eccentric

RBCF 3000: WaynePsych, is she the one who could eat only consecrated wafers?

Wingsoligh: Every one Thinks he is nuts

Meemoe: Or Like the X Files Episode Last Night Where the Dead Shall raise Had a Twist

So so Rus: what is this topic about?

Meemoe: That The Dead That Were Rising Were Evil Yet They Were the Professors Of The FAITH

Wingsoligh: are We going To see The others

Frtzzmon: x files suck

WaynePsych: I dk lol. Don't think she worried about that much.

Wingsoligh: primering on nbc on sat night

RBCF 3000: So so Rus, we are just in the final discussion of the Ecstatic Awareness class.

Meemoe: LOL It Was Only that It Brought Up the Possibilities of the Tables truly Being Turned

Wingsoligh: That should be great

RBCF 3000: Frtzzmon, most of the time, but sometimes they have

RBCF 3000: something interesting and not too gloppy

Wingsoligh: I am very tuned In my mom says I am in my own world

RBCF 3000: ... I often like Millennium better.

Meemoe: Everything Isn't What it seems And I'm Just Glad A Have These Rose Colored Glasses From The store

So so Rus: i don't understand the ? what kind of beings are we?

RT Alix: magnets for pain 3000?

WaynePsych: Wow Alix!

RT Alix: because words won't make it

RT Alix: a profile

Wingsoligh: Spirtual and pHsichal

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, referring to what?

Meemoe: sos soso My LORD!

RT Alix: shoulder bursitis

Frtzzmon: i bet all your mothers had there hands full

RT Alix: physical pain

WaynePsych: Magnets for suffering anyway.

Frtzzmon: 3k you will get your on cult

RBCF 3000: To recap tonight's discussion, we looked at our self-image

RBCF 3000: and all our delusional ideas about each other-- projections

RBCF 3000: and considerations, etc. ...

Orange marble: has anyone experienced other dimensions yet?

RBCF 3000: Frtzzmon, actually, I'm too crabby and self-absorbed to have much of a following.

Orange marble: lol 3

WaynePsych: hands folder <bows>

Lorinaz: smile

Wewachanpi: yes..others

RBCF 3000: Next, we looked at what traits we would like to find in our real, true Selves...

RT Alix: anything published 3000?

GwyllionMoon: good tidings to you

Frtzzmon: wishin it was my life

RBCF 3000: ... and finally, I guess, we had some metaphors on what

RBCF 3000: the self finds in the very center of its creation.

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, just a few essays in "Psychedelic Illuminations"

RBCF 3000: magazine, and a bunch of channelings in a defunct

RBCF 3000: spiritual magazine.

RT Alix: yes

RBCF Heart: <~~~thinks 3000 should write a book

RBCF 3000: RT Alix, right now I'm trying to get a 600-page manuscript ready for taking around.

RT Alix: love, light,peace to room & thank you 3000 for enjoyable chat this evening!

Kirstenese: <------thinks 3k should write a book too

RBCF 3000: RBCF Heart, I've been compiling tons of material for my book!

Frtzzmon: hara kristina your thoughts

AngelOfWuv: <----would love to read 3K book

RT Alix: good luck with your project

Lightthght: any more books on the shelves and I might choke

RBCF Heart: <smile>

RBCF Heart: (maybe time to stop compiling<G>)

Kirstenese: you can say that again, Angel

RBCF 3000: AngelOfWuv, it'll be beautiful-- I've got four artists who are

RBCF 3000: contributing to it, and my 124 hymns will be in it too.

Frtzzmon: time to chant?

RBCF 3000: (All the previous nine logues are downloadable

RBCF 3000: from keyword "New Age" Library II, if you missed

RBCF 3000: any of the previous classes, and tonight's

RBCF 3000: logue (#10) will be available within the next week.

RBCF 3000: Thank you all for participating with us today.

Kirstenese: thank you 3000, very interesting as usual

Frtzzmon: 3k you the man

AngelOfWuv: Heartfelt TYous to you 3K

RBCF 3000: ^5, right on!

DCizunas: Thank *you* 3K, always a pleasure to hear your discourses

RBCF Heart: Namaste' all

WaynePsych: It was well worth it 3000!

RBCF 3000: Ladyhawk, do you download the logues? Work on the exercises?

RBCF Heart: <~~~bows to 3000

Log Count: There were 15 member(s) in The New Age at 09:00 PM

RBCF 3000: Kisses RBCF Heart's feet.

DCizunas: Goodnight to all, catch ya next time...<poof>

RBCF 3000: Ok, I'm amazed at you guys' attention span!

Ladyhawk946: 3000, new to this, haven't had time to do that.

Lorinaz: Blessing 3000 thank you

WaynePsych: Focus is where it's at 3000

Kirstenese: I would speak up more, 3 k, but the screen rolls up too fast for me <g>

RBCF 3000: I'll be back here Wed. night at midnight for "The Other

RBCF 3000: Side", and then next Monday we'll move ahead with this

RBCF 3000: class. Thank you all for your brilliant comments.

RBCF 3000: Kirstenese, that's why I use a big monitor and open the window way up.

REISHISAGE: just came in and am already asleep

Kirstenese: oh, good ideal I'll try that next time 3k

Kirstenese: open the window way up

RBCF 3000: Wonderful, friends -- sweetest dreams to you all, and take note of them, please.

Kirstenese: lol, Lady. . . rather to read fast

RBCF 3000: Good night. <poof>

Ladyhawk946: thanks 3000, four winds.