Ecstatic Awareness class #15:

"How our health and every event in our lives is made up of observable,

specific decisions that we are constantly making."

 

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HOST LFST RB3000:            Good evening, dear friends.

HOST LFST Heart:    welcome 3000

Bitsty:               Hi 3000

HOST LFST RB3000:            Hi, everyone-- as soon as everybody is comfy,

HOST LFST RB3000:            we've got a fascinating subject for the next 1.5

HOST LFST RB3000:            hours, in our 25-week class on Ecstatic Awareness. 

DCizunas:         Greetings all

Gln102:             have a good chat all ,peace !!!!!!!

HOST LFST RB3000:            Welcome, everyone -- tonight is our fifteenth

HOST LFST RB3000:            class in Ecstatic Awareness. This evening's

HOST LFST RB3000:            subject is "Vibrations, harmonics, postures and

HOST LFST RB3000:            movements for opening and activating the keys."

HOST LFST RB3000:            Once again, for those who are joining us for the

HOST LFST RB3000:            first time, the way we are using the word

HOST LFST RB3000:            "ecstatic awareness" here means entering into

HOST LFST RB3000:            states of consciousness, accompanied by

HOST LFST RB3000:            transformation of being, in which the

HOST LFST RB3000:            supernatural and the Miraculous can be

HOST LFST RB3000:            witnessed and experienced directly.

Jewls2u:            3k...will there be a log of this chat available?

HOST LFST RB3000:            Jewls2u, yes, all previous logs are in keyword: New Age, Library II.

HOST LFST RB3000:            Ok, friends, let's begin tonight's class:

HOST LFST RB3000:            "Vibrations, harmonics, postures and movements

HOST LFST RB3000:            for opening and activating the keys." I suppose

HOST LFST RB3000:            you may be wondering "What keys, and why

HOST LFST RB3000:            should I activate them?" Not to mention what the

HOST LFST RB3000:            risks might be -- are we talking about Alladin's

HOST LFST RB3000:            lamp or Pandora's box?

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Keys can be letters on a keyboard or notes on a

HOST LFST RB3000:            piano, as well as lock-openers, and they can also

HOST LFST RB3000:            be solutions to codes or secrets. In our

HOST LFST RB3000:            discussion here tonight, we will actually be

HOST LFST RB3000:            referring to all of these meanings.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Now, where are these secret codes and locks

HOST LFST RB3000:            located? For one thing, the human genome

HOST LFST RB3000:            contains many thousands of strands whose

HOST LFST RB3000:            purpose is not known, and may never be known

HOST LFST RB3000:            in terms of purely physical attributes. At least,

HOST LFST RB3000:            that's what I like to believe.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            In spite of extremely sophisticated research in

HOST LFST RB3000:            the neurosciences, the human brain is still very

HOST LFST RB3000:            far from being mapped thoroughly; there are a

HOST LFST RB3000:            great many structures in it which pose mysteries,

HOST LFST RB3000:            along with the pineal gland and various neural

HOST LFST RB3000:            nexuses around the body whose purposes are

HOST LFST RB3000:            not understood.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Aside from physical mysteries within us, sacred

HOST LFST RB3000:            scriptures and myths are full of codes and

HOST LFST RB3000:            secrets, entirely aside from metaphorical

HOST LFST RB3000:            significance. On one level, they represent

HOST LFST RB3000:            alchemic and sorceric procedures; on another

HOST LFST RB3000:            level, the arrangement of the words, and the

HOST LFST RB3000:            letters within the words, are intended to be

HOST LFST RB3000:            connected in non-ordinary perspectives and

HOST LFST RB3000:            contexts.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Obviously the world if full of mysteries, wonders

HOST LFST RB3000:            and unexplained phenomena.  Many of these will

HOST LFST RB3000:            turn out to be only curiosities, but some of them

HOST LFST RB3000:            will turn out to contain secrets which can be

HOST LFST RB3000:            deciphered. Pyramids, obelisks, temples,

HOST LFST RB3000:            sphynxes, statues, henges and burial grounds

HOST LFST RB3000:            very often contain hidden powers.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            ****** Let's stop here for a few minutes and

HOST LFST RB3000:            hear from you all -- what mysteries and secrets

HOST LFST RB3000:            have you come across? How have they revealed

HOST LFST RB3000:            their mystery to you?  Go right ahead now,

HOST LFST RB3000:            please.

Herbdeva:         not know these chats were logged, do we have to say something profound

HOST LFST RB3000:            Herbdeva, yes, you're on camera now 

Mui Turtle:        yeah while wild cherry hunting i came across a sphinx it said nothing just sat there

Mui Turtle:        it taught me though

Herbdeva:         I find mysteries in nature, walking int he woods, the trees speak, the wind speaks, listen

DCizunas:         I play the organ and have had some awesome experiences when striking different harmonies

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, was it stone or a living "creature"?

Mui Turtle:        there is much to do about silence

HOST LFST RB3000:            Herbdeva, do you hear the songs of these spirits?

Mui Turtle:        it was just a stone

Winsomari:        I play the piano my mother left to me after she passed away and someone told me that

Winsomari:        her presence is felt within the texture of the keys

Uriel4wst22:     I have seen a piece of green quartz heal an open wound

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, many such stones are full of

HOST LFST RB3000:            messages from the ancients and from the stars,

Herbdeva:         more like feelings, images, vibrations, and just knowing

CreamLickGod:           WINS  That is neat

HOST LFST RB3000:            do you find?

Winsomari:        Cream , I've wanted her spirit to lead my hands to play the song she wrote of which I lost t

HOST LFST RB3000:            DCizunas, that's been happening with me as well -

Winsomari:        the sheet music with the song on it

HOST LFST RB3000:            - I'm hearing songs in everything now. 

DCizunas:         Have you felt her Winso?  I can feel someones arms going through mine as if they were gloves

Mui Turtle:        I found more in those prarie stones that fall naturally in shapes of crosses 3k

Mui Turtle:        said to be tears drop

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, are there other shapes as well?

Winsomari:        I wish I could sit at the piano with fingers on the keys and let her spirit take over my han

Winsomari:        hands

NightPath:        Wins. nothing is ever lost...only forgotten

Mui Turtle:        nope not of those

Winsomari:        DC, that's great

DCizunas:         Winso, it will happen when she is ready...takes time is all : )

Winsomari:        Night :-)

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, do you think we can recover *any* memory in the right state of consciousness?

Herbdeva:         found a stone in sedona, shape of a pyramid, had scene of healing with it

Herbdeva:         I do lfst

HOST LFST RB3000:            Herbdeva, that always seems to happen in Sedona, doesn't it? 

Winsomari:        I felt her and my grandmother once when I woke up.  It was strange.  As I awoke I was still

Uriel4wst22:     I have seen many healings with the use of stones

NightPath:        RB3000> Recover..as in awaken to what you all ready know...or memory as an Event?

Winsomari:        half asleep and thought they were in the kitchen cooking breakfast

Herbdeva:         this stone was 5,000 years ago used

HOST LFST RB3000:            (By the way, I'm used to the nickname 3000 or just "3K")

Winsomari:        then i woke up entirely and realized they aren't here

Winsomari:        Am I getting away from the topic?

DCizunas:         Winso, isn't that a great way to wake up?? 

Winsomari:        DC, yes it is

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Herbdeva:         no win

Winsomari:        I felt like they visited me through the night and were there in the morning for me.  I swore

HOST LFST RB3000:            Winsomari, you're still in the vicinity of the topic, somewhere... 

DCizunas:         Winso, my neighbor started smelling coffee after she had visited my spiritualist church

Winsomari:        I could smell breakfast cooking

Winsomari:        Lfst :-)

HOST LFST RB3000:            Winsomari, "3000" please. 

Winsomari:        There were realy there .......

Winsomari:        RB3000 ok :-)

HOST LFST RB3000:            ... and also "Heart" for my MC here. 

Herbdeva:         believe you win

HOST LFST Heart:    I received a healing from 3 eagles that flew above me

HOST LFST RB3000:            HOST LFST Heart, very auspicious omen, eh?

DCizunas:         Heart, where were you to find the eagles?

HOST LFST Heart:    yes ....very

NightPath:        LFST> The three that flew above you did not heal you..they confirmed your helaing

Bitsty:               I once had a streak of lightening come down from the ceiling in bedroom, then turn into a

HOST LFST Heart:    we live close to a river bank where they nest

Bitsty:               ball of fire at my footboard

DCizunas:         Oh Heart, what a great place to live!!

HOST LFST Heart:    NightPath.....they took my pain away....

Herbdeva:         how did you feel bitsty

Winsomari:        Bitsy, oh my gosh

Mui Turtle:        Bitsty did you start living right after that fire was out?

Winsomari:        Bit, didn't that scare you at first?

Bitsty:               Afraid...

HOST LFST RB3000:            Let's wrap up comments in the next minute so we can continue the class, please. 

Mui Turtle:       

Bitsty:               Mui :))

Herbdeva:         spirit can talk thru and work thru anything

Herbdeva:         we are connected to all things

HOST LFST RB3000:            Herbdeva, are *we* spirit in some sense?  ("The Shiao-Lin can walk thru walls...)

NightPath:        Heart> They do not have that power..only YOU can give your PAIN away

NightPath:        Back too where it came from before creation

HOST LFST RB3000:            Ok, friends, that's great.  Now let's go to the

HOST LFST RB3000:            second section of tonight's featured

HOST LFST RB3000:            presentation, and talk about *why* we should

HOST LFST RB3000:            open these secrets? What might we find? Who

HOST LFST RB3000:            would benefit from it, yourself? Humanity? The

HOST LFST RB3000:            Devil?  Please hold any comments for a few

HOST LFST RB3000:            minutes now, while I roll out this next idea.

HOST LFST RB3000:            ................................

HOST LFST RB3000:            Ever since earliest childhood (and I am old

HOST LFST RB3000:            enough to have grandchildren), I have been

HOST LFST RB3000:            fascinated by stories about the "secrets of the

HOST LFST RB3000:            orient", "the hidden teachings beyond yoga",

HOST LFST RB3000:            "the mysteries of the oversoul", and special

HOST LFST RB3000:            powers and gifts that certain people had, like

HOST LFST RB3000:            prodigies, savants, geniuses, yogis and sorcerers.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            More than that, I began my relationship with

HOST LFST RB3000:            Death very early on. When my grandfather died,

HOST LFST RB3000:            nobody could answer my questions about what

HOST LFST RB3000:            had happened to him or, more importantly for

HOST LFST RB3000:            me, how to keep the same thing from happening

HOST LFST RB3000:            to myself.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            I would say that it was my horror of the

HOST LFST RB3000:            inevitability of death that gave me my first push

HOST LFST RB3000:            into this arena. My second push was discovering

HOST LFST RB3000:            the horror of being alive in a world of pain, agony,

HOST LFST RB3000:            unfairness and isolation.  So I was compelled to

HOST LFST RB3000:            struggle until I found the secrets of life and

HOST LFST RB3000:            death. I refused to die, and life as I was finding it

HOST LFST RB3000:            was too painful to endure.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            In my search for answers to these questions, I

HOST LFST RB3000:            started noticing the mysteries of life, of existing,

HOST LFST RB3000:            the paradoxes, the missing pieces, the gaps and

HOST LFST RB3000:            anomalies. They taught science in school as if

HOST LFST RB3000:            everything was settled, and everything could be

HOST LFST RB3000:            explained (and soon *would* be) in terms of

HOST LFST RB3000:            matter and energy, and location and time.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Then I started finding out that the more

HOST LFST RB3000:            sophisticated science became, the faster the

HOST LFST RB3000:            questions ran away from the answers. For

HOST LFST RB3000:            example, as unlikely as the big-bang theory

HOST LFST RB3000:            seemed at first, it settled the origin of the

HOST LFST RB3000:            universe "once and for all." But then it started

HOST LFST RB3000:            posing more questions than it answered.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            It never answered what was there before the big

HOST LFST RB3000:            bang, or why there are stars that have to be

HOST LFST RB3000:            older than the universe, or what the mind really

HOST LFST RB3000:            is, or what gravity really is, or what really is

HOST LFST RB3000:            "inside of" an atomic particle, or what *time*

HOST LFST RB3000:            really is.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            And it certainly never answered who am I, and

HOST LFST RB3000:            how did I get here, and what and where was I

HOST LFST RB3000:            "before" I was alive. Then I got to the mysteries

HOST LFST RB3000:            of the Egyptians, and what myths and scriptures

HOST LFST RB3000:            were really talking about, and why 50,000-year-

HOST LFST RB3000:            old fragments had information that our science is

HOST LFST RB3000:            only now "discovering."

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            I found the pat answers of both Sunday school

HOST LFST RB3000:            and science always to dodge the big questions,

HOST LFST RB3000:            so it remained my quest to find either the

HOST LFST RB3000:            sources of all these legends, or learn how to find

HOST LFST RB3000:            my own answers directly.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            ****** I'd love to hear what questions you all

HOST LFST RB3000:            found that could not be answered to your

HOST LFST RB3000:            satisfaction, and what has driven you on your

HOST LFST RB3000:            own search.  Let's hear from you now, open floor.

NightPath:        One must awaken to a primary understanding...if you see

NightPath:        life as something that happens to you..then you are only a

NightPath:        born fool..if you know life as a product of your

NightPath:        happening..then your are awakening

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, yes, that sounds right. 

Winsomari:        I believe we can all experience that "oneness" but it takes great detachment

Herbdeva:         and love

NightPath:        3K> Right..is a word..i do not use

Winsomari:        I experienced it only once in my life and could never do it again.  But it's a place you are

Herbdeva:         and determination, forgiveness, inner strength

Priestesssss:     

Winsomari:        at that has no descriptive words yet you have all the answers

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, "reasonable"?  "Cool"?  "Happenin'"?

Bitsty:               Visits from spirit has led me to search for answers...

NightPath:        Connection is the feeling....

Uriel4wst22:     I too have been on the search for many years

Winsomari:        it's very hard to explain the experience becasue once you try to limit it by describing it,

RAYOFLIGHTMAN:             Pure emotion

Winsomari:        you immediately come out of it

Herbdeva:          too true win

NightPath:        the instant knowing...but to call it in born minded terms as

NightPath:        good or bad..is to limit ones understanding of what is

Winsomari:        It's so abstract , it's unbelievable

JanetGilum:       with visits from spirits..........it seems sometimes we just "know' the answers

Mui Turtle:        when i search i find it no good its when i don't search surprises occur

HOST LFST RB3000:            Winsomari, I was always worried it would keep

HOST LFST RB3000:            eluding me. Do you believe you can get back to

HOST LFST RB3000:            it?  Do you want to?

Rnonblond:       seems to be a great collective need of connecting...this awareness is what brings us to this

Rnonblond:       very topic

DCizunas:         3K, it started in formal education also, when the mathematics I'd always trusted suddenly...

HOST LFST RB3000:            Winsomari, that is the exact reason for these

HOST LFST RB3000:            practices -- to be able to sustain the mystery.

DCizunas:         ...had new concepts and only science could help in the understanding

Winsomari:        I have tried to experience it again, but can't

HOST LFST RB3000:            JanetGilum, yes, something inside of us recognizes without words, right?

Mui Turtle:        Never go in the predicted manner would be something to try...

Winsomari:        I was only 17 yrs old when it happened but a 17 yr old does not have all the clutter that an

HOST LFST RB3000:            Rnonblond, that's what I sure hope for! 

Winsomari:        adult person has to detach from in order to experience the detachment necessary to experienc

Winsomari:        this oneness

HOST LFST Heart:    I am still amazed that something

HOST LFST Heart:    as simple as daily mediation can

HOST LFST Heart:    make such a difference in the

HOST LFST Heart:    oneness.

DCizunas:         Winso, perhaps it served its purpose and opened your eyes so you could see more

Mui Turtle:        yes you walk in that faith that what you need will be your's

HOST LFST RB3000:            DCizunas, but science, with all its promise, falls down on the job too, doesn't it?

Starlight044:     wins iam confused..lol

Mui Turtle:        without effort or struggle

JanetGilum:       sometimes one has to be in a state of total confusion or on sick bed many days to get to tha

JanetGilum:       that point

NightPath:        Heart. Meditation is a constant...not a practice...when it

NightPath:        becomes you..then you will really see/know it

DCizunas:         3K, definitely, but we were given advanced classes so had quantum physics at a tender age  <

HOST LFST RB3000:            Heart, sure-- if it's practiced consistently and

HOST LFST RB3000:            long enough, a tiny change every single day adds

HOST LFST RB3000:            up to magic, I find.

Winsomari:        Star lol

NightPath:        for it is not a gym you run to for exersise

Starlight044:    

Uriel4wst22:     I have always seen bur learned as a young child that it was not acceptable to those around m

HOST LFST Heart:    Nightpath ...so true

Uriel4wst22:     me

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, interesting way to put it -- "becomes

HOST LFST RB3000:            you".  Is that in relation to Taoism or Zen or

HOST LFST RB3000:            something like that?

Uriel4wst22:     So I studied in private for many years

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Mui Turtle:        Tomorrows never come ...to plan them is a human trait of trying controlling a grand plan

NightPath:        Meditation is touching the stillnes...without

NightPath:        expectation...99% expect meditation to result in

NightPath:        something..BIG ERROR

HOST LFST RB3000:            DCizunas, and now you're in StarFleet Academy with sub-spatial hyper-quanta? 

Rnonblond:       I think the act of defintion of meditation is what gets most people...

JanetGilum:       Have  "big errored" many times

DCizunas:         3K, LOL!!  Sometimes I feel like I am.

HOST LFST RB3000:            Rnonblond, how's that?

Rnonblond:       they seem to think its something someone on a hill or mt does..

Starlight044:     lol Dciz

Rnonblond:       and then dont do the work involved..

Mui Turtle:        rolls over wrestles with a wild cherry not for the cherry sake but for the experience

DCizunas:         Star and 3K, I think they made up the word "space cadet" to describe me (also blonde)  LOL!!

Rnonblond:       I think if they realized they meditated while looking at a snowflake or bird in a window...

Rnonblond:       and have the awareness to do that each day..

HOST LFST RB3000:            Rnonblond, most of the people I know meditate

HOST LFST RB3000:            and do other practices daily-- where you fum? 

NightPath:        No work involved...for all is present now...simply remove

NightPath:        the view from the outside to the inside

Rnonblond:       from Calif...

HOST LFST RB3000:            Rnonblond, that's one of the practices we are looking at in this class:  "gazing"

NightPath:        You were not born to learn.. you were born to reveal your painting

JanetGilum:       what a thought.....I like it nightpath

HOST LFST RB3000:            Rnonblond, me too-- that's why I wondered.

HOST LFST RB3000:            Everybody in Calif. seems to be doing some kind

HOST LFST RB3000:            of practice, no?

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, beautifully put. 

Rnonblond:       yeah...but for the most part...they are in a formal religion

Planetshpr:        .... <grin>... or NOT doing some kind of practice even when we know better, 3K!

Planetshpr:        ;-)

NightPath:        Learning is an illusion of TIME janet...you are already a

NightPath:        aspect of the one all knowing mind..it simply delights in

NightPath:        seeing itself!!@

Mui Turtle:        Nightpath that sounds alot like Bachs book illusions, inwhich he states "in life you are fre

Mui Turtle:        to tear the pages and rewrite your script

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, when are we NOT working out our dharma? 

JanetGilum:      

Planetshpr:        dharma, 3K?  or karma?

Bitsty:               I loved Illusions by Bach! 

Mui Turtle:        script/painting

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, I love that!  I'll have to read that book again. 

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, dogma and catma, I think 

Planetshpr:        ah!  I LIKE that!

Planetshpr:        I struggle with my dharma to overcome my karma!

NightPath:        Mui> Bach and I are friends yes..hosted a room for him and family on CompuServe...enjoyed

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, sounds like you've been there. 

DCizunas:         Oh Night, what a great experience for you

Planetshpr:        more likely, what a great experience for Bach! <grin>

HOST LFST RB3000:            Bitsty, what did you think of his book "One"?

NightPath:        Richard bachs...new book out this year..check it out..titled " Out Of My Mind"

DCizunas:         LOL Planet

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, thanks for the tip. 

Bitsty:               Night, When will it be on sale for the public?

JanetGilum:       Freud would have had a hayday with that title

Priestesssss:      what's it about, Night?

Planetshpr:        "You gotta go out of your mind to get into your heart"

NightPath:        <p   http://www.richardbach.com/Richard Bach

HOST LFST RB3000:            (one-minute bell 

NightPath:        Thats the link..can get info there..or email me

DrgnKeepr:       Thank you, NightPath

Mui Turtle:        Yes Nightpath you do seem to resemble that of a radio personality at times I've noticed.

HOST LFST RB3000:            So so Rus, no-- we have one more section to go, still.

HOST LFST RB3000:            DCizunas, actually, I make these open-ended,

HOST LFST RB3000:            depending on how much energy and flow we have

HOST LFST RB3000:            each time. 

DCizunas:         Great 3K...I look forward to these classes

HOST LFST RB3000:            Splendid, dear friends!  Let us now conclude with

HOST LFST RB3000:            the final portion of tonight's lesson, and look at

HOST LFST RB3000:            how and why ritual practices can unlock the

HOST LFST RB3000:            secrets that we have been searching for.  Please

HOST LFST RB3000:            hold your comments long enough for me to roll

HOST LFST RB3000:            out the remainder of the text.

HOST LFST RB3000:            ..........................................

HOST LFST RB3000:            The first thing I noticed about these practices is

HOST LFST RB3000:            that they were all extremely tedious, repetitious,

HOST LFST RB3000:            boring and useless. I always wondered why so

HOST LFST RB3000:            many devotees have stuck with them, and even

HOST LFST RB3000:            sat in caves for years doing them!

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            What I discovered was that first the mind has to

HOST LFST RB3000:            become very quiet, like a still lake, which reflects

HOST LFST RB3000:            like a lovely mirror, instead of the noisy froth of

HOST LFST RB3000:            endless thoughts of selfishness, indulgence and

HOST LFST RB3000:            justifications that go on perpetually in my head,

HOST LFST RB3000:            and even in my body.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            The next thing I found out was that awareness

HOST LFST RB3000:            and mindfulness take energy, far more than it

HOST LFST RB3000:            takes to learn computer programming or to build

HOST LFST RB3000:            a house, and I'd been wasting most of my energy

HOST LFST RB3000:            on self-pity, unnecessary tensions and scattered

HOST LFST RB3000:            thoughts.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Later on, I learned that I am filled to the brim

HOST LFST RB3000:            with unconscious programs that spoil my

HOST LFST RB3000:            relationships, my opportunities and all chances of

HOST LFST RB3000:            happiness. I found that, with a quiet mind and a

HOST LFST RB3000:            humble heart, it was possible to temporarily stop

HOST LFST RB3000:            the action of the programs.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            At these times I found that I could perceive and

HOST LFST RB3000:            relate to other people in new ways. I felt so free

HOST LFST RB3000:            and expansive when this happened, that I even

HOST LFST RB3000:            looked for more "boring" rituals to do. I thought I

HOST LFST RB3000:            had finally achieved something, or at least was

HOST LFST RB3000:            on my way to something important.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            Of course such "realizations" led me to arrogance

HOST LFST RB3000:            and self-centeredness, and thus was entered into

HOST LFST RB3000:            deeper lessons of humility, surrender to higher

HOST LFST RB3000:            purpose, and the need to honor the support and

HOST LFST RB3000:            wisdom of my fellows on the path. (Sounds like I

HOST LFST RB3000:            just got out of a Tibetan monastery, doesn't it? 

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            I never did know what I could really expect,

HOST LFST RB3000:            despite all the fantastic stories I had read. While

HOST LFST RB3000:            I wished that wondrous powers and sensibilities

HOST LFST RB3000:            were possible, for the most part, the stories did

HOST LFST RB3000:            not imbue a sense of validity for me. The few that

HOST LFST RB3000:            did seem reasonable I regarded as virtually

HOST LFST RB3000:            unattainable, especially in light of the

HOST LFST RB3000:            weaknesses which I had discovered in myself

HOST LFST RB3000:            from long examination.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            But the gifts which come from persistent inner

HOST LFST RB3000:            work prove truly breathtaking -- far exceeding

HOST LFST RB3000:            what I could have possibly have deserved. I will

HOST LFST RB3000:            go into these in detail, in future sessions, but

HOST LFST RB3000:            they include telepathic phenomena, little

HOST LFST RB3000:            miracles everywhere, and visions showing the

HOST LFST RB3000:            underlying nature of reality in terms beyond

HOST LFST RB3000:            mere words.

HOST LFST RB3000:            .

HOST LFST RB3000:            ****** Well, friends, this completes the ideas

HOST LFST RB3000:            that I'd like you to examine tonight. What do you

HOST LFST RB3000:            yourself hope to find?  What kind of world do you

HOST LFST RB3000:            insist on? Go right ahead now, please. The floor is

HOST LFST RB3000:            now open for discussion on this entire subject.

Shomble:           What you say makes sense - just difficult to achieve

Planetshpr:        3K, most interesting in the above, is

Planetshpr:         learned that I am filled to the brim

HOST LFST RB3000:            Shomble, that's why we're given a few decades in a cave to make some progress on it. 

Planetshpr:        with  unconscious programs that

Shomble:           Does feel like a cave at times.

JanetGilum:       so I have a tendency to fear or rather have great respect for those on the other side but

JanetGilum:       have I believed channeled Elivabeth Barrett Browning...... in doing a poem..... I should

JanetGilum:       further my lessons on doing the channeling.... to see what happens?

Planetshpr:        3K, do you feel that you overcame these "unconscious programs"?

Planetshpr:        healed them, in some way?

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DCizunas:         Planet, interesting comment...seems like I have to create a void to get the things I want

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, when I am in ego, I feel totally in

HOST LFST RB3000:            despair of *ever* conquering the "mould"...

Shomble:           hard to balance humble & survival

Planetshpr:        Do you feel, 3K, that there is any particular meditation more useful for identifying such

Planetshpr:        unconscious programs, moreso than another?

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, yes, we'll be getting to some of them in coming months.

JanetGilum:       it would further my lessons on dealling with the unconciousness maybe

JanetGilum:       I know it is rather out of left field..... but was something you said at first your words RB

NightPath:        "You do not need to do anything, just remain sitting at

NightPath:        your table and listen. Do not even listen, just wait. Do not

NightPath:        even wait, just be quiet, still and solitary, and the universe

NightPath:        will expose itself to you. It has no choice. It will roll in

NightPath:        ecstasy at your feet." -- Franz Kafka

Mui Turtle:        :) I wasn't all wrong then Nightpath

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, that's profound.

Planetshpr:        ::nodding::  as you know, I am always interested in adding new tools to that toolkit.

NightPath:        Mui> Did I say you were wrong about anythingthing?

Planetshpr:        Lately, I am liking the Neti, Neti meditation for that... will be curious as to what you use

Mui Turtle:        no no just that it was impressive to me, I do not do that often

NightPath:        The first step..is awakening to no-thing-ness

JanetGilum:       you said something about now can not remember ...... working on search

JanetGilum:       and learning how to 

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, is that like the "ecki ecki" meditation of Monty Python? 

Planetshpr:        <grin>... sure, 3K.  JUST like it!

JanetGilum:       the search I was thinking of was channeling

JanetGilum:       learning by doing more

HOST LFST RB3000:            JanetGilum, please summarize your question-- I'll watch for it now. 

NightPath:        Janet> The error of channel is the belief in separation

JanetGilum:       I kind of have a fear of ........ would like to know more about it though....... do you thin

JanetGilum:       k one should continue to strive towards perfection

HOST LFST RB3000:            JanetGilum, I do a certain kind of channeling

HOST LFST RB3000:            myself, which I call "Christ-self attunement"-- so

HOST LFST RB3000:            it can help a lot. 

Planetshpr:        <--would settle for excellence.

JanetGilum:       okay Nightpath

NightPath:        Janet> To be perfectly imperfect is perfection

HOST LFST RB3000:            JanetGilum, but I don't know if we can strive for

HOST LFST RB3000:            perfection, because we start in petty-ego, which

HOST LFST RB3000:            knows nothing of perfection, right?

Mui Turtle:        to strive you disable the all knowing one inside you janet , the flow is cut off by striving

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, good way to put it. 

JanetGilum:       I enjoy writing poems when thinking of Elizabeth barrett browning

JanetGilum:       she comes through me it seems .... I called that channeling

Planetshpr:        Janet... you may be interested to read Ruth Montgomery's books... 

So so Rus:         hi DD

JacobJG:            perhaps lionking was asking for "credentials'?

JanetGilum:       am I wrong

Planetshpr:        particularly, since Montgomery is pretty sure she is the current reincarnation of EBBrowning

Mui Turtle:        There is some wisdom in walking a type faith that what ever you encounter or occurs in your

Mui Turtle:        lives is no mistake

HOST LFST RB3000:            JanetGilum, that's a good thing, I believe.  I have

HOST LFST RB3000:            mentors like that on the other side, who guide me

HOST LFST RB3000:            in composing hymns.

CIrcleDragon:   in striving for perfection, you're striving to be god or goddess, I myself wouldn't want the

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, do you believe there can be more than one at a time?

JacobJG:            There's nothing wrong whatsoever with striving, it's what brings us to enlightenment

Planetshpr:        LOL!  who am I to say, 3K!  I had a vision once, that I am ONE of the

Planetshpr:        reincarnations of White Buffalo Woman...

JacobJG:            the desire to be "higher" than others

Mui Turtle:        Jacobs happens its not a way I personally have found worthy of time to strive

Planetshpr:        But I do not think I will be presenting myself to the tribes for verification on that one!

Mui Turtle:        thats all i share here

NightPath:        Circle> One not nned "try" to be perfect...one already

NightPath:        is..only the perception of the one you are is in error

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, well, WBW is an archetype, right?  Those are threads through all sentiency.

JacobJG:            TURTLE, My name is Jacob NOT Jacobs

JacobJG:            I've corrected you about this b4

Mui Turtle:        Jacob then

So so Rus:         <<,thinks it is very difficult not wanting to be better or higher than other humans

Mui Turtle:        and most likely will again

JacobJG:            yes, So So

Mui Turtle:        turtles do not type well

So so Rus:         we are programed for this

Mui Turtle:        lol

Planetshpr:        hmmm... ..  I don't know that she IS an archetype, 3K.  In the vision, I was told I was one

Planetshpr:        of a number of people who embodied fragments of the original.

Planetshpr:        If she is an archetype, I am not sure of what.

DDreamtime:    mui  its   that lack of lasticity in the thumb  lol

Mui Turtle:        but most often i aim a what is important for the most part...

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, I get that humans are not

HOST LFST RB3000:            archetypes, but *collectors* of archetypes.

HOST LFST RB3000:            Comment?

JacobJG:            If one is NOT striving, one is striving to NOT strive, understand?

So so Rus:         kung foo Caine was my don juan, If anyone i would love to attain that kind of awareness

Planetshpr:        Well, let's drop back a step, on that one.  Please define "archetype" as you use it.

Mui Turtle:        Jacob who are you teaching you?

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, I get that each deity is a major thread in the tapestry of Consciousness.

NightPath:        Jacob. Sorry do not agree

Lionesset:          the archetypes are our guides

Mui Turtle:        Night nor do i

JacobJG:            okay night

HOST LFST RB3000:            JacobJG, not necessarily, but I get your point.

JacobJG:            thanks 3000

JacobJG:            it is a paradox

Planetshpr:        ok....  each, then embodying certain qualities we admire?  ok.  sure.  in which case, we eac

Planetshpr:        h contain the cellular memory of ALL of it.

DDreamtime:    teaching is for the teacher to learn   not the student

Mui Turtle:        <~ not a betting turtle but 3 to 1 is hard odds it was wrong

NightPath:        IJacob. that to me is the born minded justification for its

NightPath:        action...for in the stillness...no action is all action.. touch

NightPath:        that and all is present in the now

HOST LFST RB3000:            Lionesset, I was thinking that the reason they are

HOST LFST RB3000:            guides for us, is that they are created to be

HOST LFST RB3000:            exact, consistent portrayals of universal

HOST LFST RB3000:            attributes, agree?

Lionesset:          yes, very much so

Planetshpr:        3K, would we then include the monsters, as well as the deities?  And if so, to what purpose?

NightPath:        Effort is the self pride of born minded ego

JacobJG:            night, I don't understand

HOST LFST RB3000:            (Next week: "How our health and every event in

HOST LFST RB3000:            our lives is made up of observable, specific

HOST LFST RB3000:            decisions that we are constantly making." Please

HOST LFST RB3000:            continue whatever daily practices you are doing -

HOST LFST RB3000:            - we'll be using everything that results from

HOST LFST RB3000:            them.)

Planetshpr:        Is Hitler an archetype?

JacobJG:            thanks 3000

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, we'll be getting into monsters in a

HOST LFST RB3000:            future class-- these are our own aberrations, see?

DunRanull:       Hitler was possessed by an archetype

NightPath:        Jacob> okay..is life a lesoson for you to learn..or an oppurtunity to reveal your being?

JacobJG:            Hitler was a terribly thoughtless individual, no more, no less

JacobJG:            night, it should be the latter

Planetshpr:        <--once again, getting ahead of my self <grin>

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Planetshpr:        I disagree, Jacob.  He was terribly, terribly human, to me.

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, Hitler is both an archetypal

HOST LFST RB3000:            aberration, and a great example of how our own

HOST LFST RB3000:            path can go astray.

JacobJG:            planet, I agree, that's what I said in other words

DunRanull:       terribly thoughtless, lol

HOST LFST RB3000:            In my opinion, of course.

JacobJG:            yes, dun

DunRanull:       cmon Jake you can o better than that

JanetGilum:       sometimes I wonder if there still are not some hitlers around

Planetshpr:        I shall look forward to it, 3K!

NightPath:        Hitler....was...what you say he is...for he no longer is..except in your saying

JacobJG:            dun, no, I can't. He most definitely was NOT evil

Planetshpr:        sure, Janet.  Plenty of them....  fortunately they don't generally come to that level of

Planetshpr:        power.

HOST LFST RB3000:            (The exercises we have been doing are stopping

HOST LFST RB3000:            the internal dialogue; listening, tasting and

HOST LFST RB3000:            feeling on deep, synaesthesic levels; dream and

HOST LFST RB3000:            trance work; and consistent meditations of

HOST LFST RB3000:            different kinds. We'll now be adding the exercises

HOST LFST RB3000:            we discussed in tonight's class, as well.)

Mui Turtle:        drools all over the cherry floor

JanetGilum:       as yet they have not

NightPath:        I lost my brother in WAr..i do not run from the cause..but i know the creator of

JanetGilum:       may I have a copy of your dialogue 3000 or is it permissable

DunRanull:       hitler allowed himself to be possessed by evil, Jake.

NightPath:        for he/she is behind the mirror i see each day

JacobJG:            (((((((((((((JL)))))))))))

HOST LFST RB3000:            Do you know that, in the Aramaic language of the

HOST LFST RB3000:            original Bible, the closest word they had for "evil"

HOST LFST RB3000:            was "unripe", like a fruit that's still sour? 

JacobJG:            there is no evil, PERIOD

JLook91968:     {{{{{{{{{{Jacob}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

DunRanull:       very well jake.

Planetshpr:        nothing more evil than green bananas, 3K!

HOST LFST RB3000:            JanetGilum, I post them all at keyword: New Age, Library II.  Ok?

NightPath:        Jacob> then why comment about Hitler?

JanetGilum:       thank you

JacobJG:            night, someone else brought him up

HOST LFST Heart:    no Jacob

Mui Turtle:        Jacob that is your personal interp not a iron clad said and done statement

Mui Turtle:        but then you too are entitled

HOST LFST RB3000:            (All the previous 14 logs are downloadable from

HOST LFST RB3000:            keyword "New Age" Library II, if you missed any

HOST LFST RB3000:            of the previous classes, and tonight's log (#15)

HOST LFST RB3000:            will be available within the next week. Please

HOST LFST RB3000:            email me if you would like my weekly updates

HOST LFST RB3000:            emailed direct to you. Thank you all for

HOST LFST RB3000:            participating with us today. 

JacobJG:            turtle, everything that all of us say all the time (unless it's math) is opinion

Planetshpr:        Thanks 3K!

HOST LFST RB3000:            I'll stick around here as long as anyone still wants to discuss this subject. 

Bitsty:               Thank you 3K and Heart! 

Planetshpr:        Ok...  well, then let's get back to it.  Is there really any such thing as "evil," guys?

NightPath:        Jacob> Can you not touch the diff from a beleif and a

NightPath:        knowing when it is expressed..regaredless of sourse?

JacobJG:            touch???

NightPath:        Jacob. yes..to touch the fire of knowing ...verse beleif

NightPath:        belief seeks confirmation.. knowing seeks expression

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, well, we have "unripe", and we have

HOST LFST RB3000:            "misguided" and "immature"-- is a baby evil?

Planetshpr:        all dualistic judgments, 3K!  and I know you know better, LOL!

Planetshpr:        try again!

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, well, my point is that we judge "evil"

HOST LFST RB3000:            differently for different beings and roles, no?  A

HOST LFST RB3000:            baby is selfish and callous of the needs of others,

HOST LFST RB3000:            and takes what does not "belong" to it.

Planetshpr:        sure, 3K.  but that is not evil.  it's actually probably not even self-ish.

Planetshpr:        more likely, self-centered.

Mui Turtle:        Nightpath i still work on enjoying my screwups in the same style as my victories

Mui Turtle:        and vice versa

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, then why is somebody older than a

HOST LFST RB3000:            baby considered "evil" for the same attitudes and

HOST LFST RB3000:            acts?

DDreamtime:    night  i wouls appreciate  that  :)

JacobJG:            NIGHT, things got messed up for me, did you reply to my question?

JLook91968:     Intent

Planetshpr:        judgments, 3K.  all dualistic judgments.... arising from unresolved programs in the unconscious, or however you put it.

Lionesset:          3k, you are quite insightful

JacobJG:            I didn't see anything after my question about what you said to me about "touch"

HOST LFST RB3000:            Lionesset, shucks.  Amazing what half a century will do for us, eh? 

JacobJG:            I don't know....

JacobJG:            NIGHT, you were trying to make a distinction between what we interpret and what we know

NightPath:        Jacob. i replied to that...i think..opps think..now thats a concept

Planetshpr:        Can we agree, 3k, that all people act from some level of self-interest, regardless of how

Planetshpr:        seemingly "altruistic"?

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, yes, and the *self* can be tiny, or universal, right?

Planetshpr:        ok, sure.

Planetshpr:        if it is true, then, that all of us act from some level of self interest (however tiny or

Mui Turtle:        even the tibetan monk however patiently awaits enlightenment but also realizes that will be

Mui Turtle:        on time

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, like a CEO-- if the company does well, he does too. 

Planetshpr:        universal the self), then how can we JUDGE that self-interest?

JacobJG:            NIGHT, can you scroll up, copy and paste it again?

JLook91968:     is it self-interest, or self-awareness?

Lionesset:          as we approach the higher dimensions it is with love and compassion

Planetshpr:        JLook, I believe self-INTEREST.  certainly would not argue that all act from self-awareness.

Planetshpr:        ::drily::

HOST LFST RB3000:            JLook, I'd say that enlightened self-interest increases awareness.

Mui Turtle:        its a walking living faith in cycles

Planetshpr:        3K, yes, the concept that there is NO SUCH THING, as win/lose.  It's always either win/win

Planetshpr:        or lose/lose.

DDreamtime:    lose     what is that

Planetshpr:        That would seem to me to be "enlightened self-awareness".

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, I don't know about that-- I think we

HOST LFST RB3000:            have a choice of perspective (and that might be

HOST LFST RB3000:            our *only* choice!)

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Planetshpr:        oooooh!  VERY nice, 3k!  will be tasting THAT one all evening!

JLook91968:     would another way of putting it is levels of maturity?

Planetshpr:        your point would be consistent with non-dualistic thinking.

Mui Turtle:        no JL they say babes are old souls that actually do the teaching to us

NightPath:        Levels or illusions of measure

HOST LFST RB3000:            JLook, good point-- I just got a mailing about what Maturity

HOST LFST RB3000:            is, and it looked just like the steps of Buddhism to me.

JLook91968:     maturity would run from Narsiccistic to mature

NightPath:        "All portions of All That Is are constantly changing. All

NightPath:        That Is is constantly seeking to know Itself, for seeking

NightPath:        itself is a creative activity and the core of all action."

JLook91968:     Mui, mature to me means grown, finished product

HOST LFST RB3000:            I don't understand why people confuse physical deterioration

HOST LFST RB3000:            with the ripening of the soul. 

Mui Turtle:        to become like that of a child again is often counsel from other said guru types of fame

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, do you have an attribution for that?

Mui Turtle:        maturity will occur to not administer it as such is key maybe

Mui Turtle:        or maybe i just do not understand ...

NightPath:        3K> Simply the diff from being in the world..and world being in you...

Lionesset:          as we enter the higher realms we stop aging,, great motivation wouldn't you say

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, you've done pretty well so far. 

Planetshpr:        Looks like Greg Bradenn to me, 3K.

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, I think I swallowed the world.  <burp> 

Mui Turtle:       

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, thanks.

NightPath:        3K> For when my body dies..it weighs the same...even though i am no longer there

JLook91968:     3K, there are assessment measures that deal with both psychological and spiritual maturity

NightPath:        for yes i am weightless

Planetshpr:        actually, not, NightPath.  Dead bodies are several ounces lighter than the live version.

HOST LFST RB3000:            JLook, is that one of these web-based questionnaires?

JLook91968:     lol..... no 3K

HOST LFST Heart:    I have heard a soul weighs 3 oz.

Soulariaum:       true planet

NightPath:        Planet> After 30+ yearsw in healtcare..i do not

Mui Turtle:        I would expect anyone giving a spiritual maturity quizz to show me their papers

NightPath:        agree...unless your talking simple water fuild loss

Mui Turtle:        I would have to insist

HOST LFST RB3000:            Heart, that's if you still believe in "gravity" and "weight", no?

Mui Turtle:        because there are no such papers

Planetshpr:        nope, NightPath... believe it or not, someone actually got a research grant on this one... 

Planetshpr:        LOL!

HOST LFST Heart:    <smile>

Mui Turtle:        and no such parameters

Lionesset:          in ancient Egyptian teachings the goddess Maat weighs the heart against a feather

Planetshpr:        please don't ask me to cite my documentation though!

Soulariaum:       piezoelectric charge  creates a gravity field...

JLook91968:     they are measures developed by social scientist seeking understanding

JLook91968:     I've seen and reviewed a couple of them

Mui Turtle:        JL those test seem to just not be able to capture potential and free will though on graphs

Mui Turtle:        which is huge

Planetshpr:        Gotta go nighters, guys.  delightful and stimulating conversation, as always!

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, what exactly is "free will" supposed to be?

Planetshpr:        Troimille, {S gotmail

DDreamtime:    Plante  night

JLook91968:     hmmmm...... they have potential

NightPath:        Jlook> And every scientist...effects the outcome of every

NightPath:        observation with his/her expectation...thats called

NightPath:        quantam ph

Diana35838:     bye Planet*

Lionesset:          bye planet shpr

Mui Turtle:        3000 a deliverance of sorts

HOST LFST RB3000:            Planetshpr, thanks-- sweet dreams. 

DDreamtime:    yes  night

Soulariaum:       true night

Planetshpr:        ;- )

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, but what IS it?

DDreamtime:    ^5 soul

Mui Turtle:        the undiluted unfiltered person / soul/ being

Soulariaum:       {{{DD}}}}

JLook91968:     Night, I wasn't trying to judge their accuracy, but simply share their existance as potentia

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, that's "free will"?

Mui Turtle:        will tha

NightPath:        Fore the observer and the observed are connected..dang what a novel thought!!!!! 

Mui Turtle:        is free has no harness thus may have no explanation

Mui Turtle:        good enough in print

Mui Turtle:        will give it thought

StellaWolf:        ::observes Night::

NightPath:        Jlook> Soory...was not jumping on you...just jumping in...

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, I've always thought "free will" was another of our Sunday school myths.

Soulariaum:       intention connects

Mui Turtle:       

Lionesset:          i send all of you the violet ray

Mui Turtle:        3000 try the words freedom of choice in all things

Mui Turtle:        no matter what

Soulariaum:       {{{{lion}}}}  thanks

Diana35838:     :) Tks Lion

HOST LFST RB3000:            Mui Turtle, nice words-- roll off my tongue, but leave me somehow unfilled... 

Mui Turtle:        3000 daylight again then

Lionesset:          Host, this is the only planet of choice

NightPath:        "I seem to have been only like a boy playing on the

NightPath:        seashore,and diverting myself in now and then finding a

NightPath:        smoother pebble or a prettier shell than ordinary,whilst the

NightPath:        great ocean of truth lay all undiscovered before me."  - Sir

NightPath:        Isaac Newton

StellaWolf:        Is there really free will?  Or are we all on a predestined course?  Do we have room to make

StellaWolf:        choices within that realm?

Lionesset:          very nice night

HOST LFST RB3000:            Lionesset, ok, then what are our choices to make?

DrStrangeMined:         Energy goes where you think it, will or intent magnify the effect in proportion to strength

DrStrangeMined:         of will and focus?

Mui Turtle:        sure we may sway the course but the course remains in the end

Mui Turtle:        by choice

HOST LFST RB3000:            StellaWolf, that is a big question.

NightPath:        3K> Choice is an illusion of time..the EGO prides itself in choice..tyhe one you are without

StellaWolf:        If we are lucky enough to have made the right choices to get to the end  hehe

HOST LFST RB3000:            DrStrangeMined, that's an interesting and intriguing way to put it.

Lionesset:          We have the choice to follow a higher path

Lionesset:          or stay in the 3D

NightPath:        Lion> highrer?

NightPath:        is a born minded judgement

Mui Turtle:        true is is if you project nightpath agree , but to apply in all present moments

HOST LFST RB3000:            Lionesset, I don't know anybody who follows this path, who doesn't *have* to! 

Mui Turtle:        it may have a chance

NightPath:        When you reach the point of no choice.. you will reach the authentic you

Lionesset:          Host,, What do you mean my Have To ???

HOST LFST RB3000:            NightPath, that sounds .... "happenin" (is that the word we agreed on? 

NightPath:        for that you has no choice..it is all that is.. what can it choose from

JLook91968:     Night, so the true victim, is truly victimized?

Mui Turtle:        given it is a type of mind altering to deliver another vibration

NightPath:        The true victim...is a great actor

Mui Turtle:        thus attracting another type of surrounding

Mui Turtle:        potentials then can change

Log Count:   There were 15 member(s) in The New Age at 09:00 PM

JLook91968:     and the perfect chooser?

HOST LFST RB3000:            Well, dear friends -- feel free to continue all night, but I'm

HOST LFST RB3000:            falling off my chair, so I'll see you all next week.  Keep watch

HOST LFST RB3000:            on your dreams, please.  <poof>