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FoxesTruth: Intent...great name

RIVER CAVE: :::::taking down sign that says "Silence! Ego at work"

HOST LFST Intent: Thanks

FoxesTruth: Intent goes before thought eh?


FoxesTruth: so what is the chat??? <dying to know>

HOST LFST RB3000: Welcome, everyone -- tonight is our eighteenth class

HOST LFST RB3000: in Ecstatic Awareness. This evening's subject is "The

HOST LFST RB3000: nature of the Divine, and how we connect to {it}."

HOST LFST RB3000: Once again, for those who are joining us for the first

HOST LFST RB3000: time, the way we are using the term "ecstatic

HOST LFST RB3000: awareness" here means entering into states of

HOST LFST RB3000: consciousness, accompanied by transformation of

HOST LFST RB3000: being, in which the supernatural and the Miraculous

HOST LFST RB3000: can be witnessed and experienced directly.


HOST LFST RB3000: We run this class in "semi-formal" protocol, which

HOST LFST RB3000: means that we allow the speaker (*me*, in our case)

HOST LFST RB3000: to roll out a few paragraphs of an idea without

HOST LFST RB3000: interruption, then resume free discussion of those

HOST LFST RB3000: ideas.

HOST LFST RB3000: Are there any procedural questions before we begin?

Mui Turtle: Hi

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, friends, let's begin tonight's class: "The nature of

HOST LFST RB3000: the Divine, and how we connect to {it}." I've noticed

HOST LFST RB3000: that there is a great tendency in the race of humans to

HOST LFST RB3000: carry whatever stories we were told at our mother's

HOST LFST RB3000: knee, all the way throughout our lives without

HOST LFST RB3000: questioning it.


HOST LFST RB3000: In the West, we generally have an old man with a

HOST LFST RB3000: long, white beard, and his counterpart, a red-hot guy

HOST LFST RB3000: with features of a goat; other cultures have goddesses

HOST LFST RB3000: or pantheons of deities; demons and angels; animal

HOST LFST RB3000: and plant spirits, nymphs, hamadryads, elves, faeries

HOST LFST RB3000: and stone beings.


HOST LFST RB3000: But these are all just stories that we tell our children

HOST LFST RB3000: without really believing in them ourselves, and then

HOST LFST RB3000: we hush our children up when they report back that

HOST LFST RB3000: they've seen the creatures of these stories.

HOST LFST RB3000: Perhaps their imaginations merely create illusions of

HOST LFST RB3000: what they've heard in the stories; but maybe they can

HOST LFST RB3000: see for themselves what we have relegated to

HOST LFST RB3000: comforting fiction.


HOST LFST RB3000: So why are the scriptures so darn persistent and

HOST LFST RB3000: convincing to us, somehow? Most of us don't believe

HOST LFST RB3000: in them literally, but we're not prepared to abandon

HOST LFST RB3000: them either. They are filled with tales of the

HOST LFST RB3000: Miraculous, with Divine Justice, with deliverances from

HOST LFST RB3000: suffering and death, and with beautiful and terrible

HOST LFST RB3000: messengers.


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HOST LFST RB3000: Did the ancients really see such wonders? Can we trust anyone

HOST LFST RB3000: alive today who reports seeing angels or experiencing miracles?

HOST LFST RB3000: Would we really want to find out that the world is a magical

HOST LFST RB3000: place populated with invisible and powerful beings who "reveal

HOST LFST RB3000: themselves here and there, now and then, and to this one and

HOST LFST RB3000: that one?" (like a pookah.


HOST LFST RB3000: ***** At that, let us stop here for a moment and share

HOST LFST RB3000: examples from our experiences of witnessing miracles or

HOST LFST RB3000: encountering angels, faeries or spirits, and also I'd like to hear

HOST LFST RB3000: your own view of what the Divine really is. Let's forget about

HOST LFST RB3000: what we learned in Sunday school and go with our guts. Go

HOST LFST RB3000: right ahead now, please ... open floor on this question. ...

Scamper22: Well, yes, I've heard reports of encouters with angels and spirits. Just saw a movie

Scamper22: yesterday about The Haunting, based on a true story.

Drpatcrawford: Must our story be of "supernatural events," or just everyday miracles, like two persons

Drpatcrawford: connecting in a magical way, or a car stopping and not killing us...?

DCizunas: Vision is only one way of experiencing these beings...you can also sense them around you (cl

HOST LFST Heart: When I related accounts of seeing spirits as a child my mother told me never to tell it

HOST LFST Intent: Drpatcrawford, just everyday miracles are fine

Drpatcrawford: Or someone opening up, unmasking, telling the whole truth for a change...

Drpatcrawford: Thank you, Intent...

HOST LFST RB3000: Drpatcrawford, that's a great example

DCizunas: Heart, wasn't that awful??

Drpatcrawford: I had a wonderful event today...really happened, even tho sometimes I think I am making this stuff up...

Mui Turtle: what is truth

Scamper22: Hi Intent! And Heart! Sorry, didn't see ya! Was moving fast!

Mui Turtle: what is nontruth

HOST LFST Heart: yes DC it was, it kept me from realizing my gifts

Mui Turtle: its all relative

Drpatcrawford: "Rude" waitress...I was going to distance self, working with new teacher on ALWAYS coming from love...

Mui Turtle: as much so as fairies most certain

DCizunas: Heart, good thing that you had the opportunity to do so later..better late than never...LOL!

Drpatcrawford: So I "whitelighted" her with my love, hard but I tried to be pure...

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Drpatcrawford: She gave great service...showed me her tattoo of phoenix rising...


Drpatcrawford: NO kidding,k lifted up her shirt sleeve and showed me...

Scamper22: Drpat, it DOES work! I know. If they are giving permission, you bet!

Scamper22: But watch out if they don't.

Drpatcrawford: The woman who is teaching me to come from love's into fire as cleansing.

Drpatcrawford: I cried a bit...didn't share with waitress, just complimented her on the tattoo...

HOST LFST Intent: What I have noticed is that once you grow older, you are expected to

HOST LFST Intent: become an adult, and not believe stories of angels, dreams, and other

HOST LFST Intent: paranormal activity

Heavenlysentforu: what is whited lighted?

Drpatcrawford: Manager was a bit freaked out...

Scamper22: Intent, so sadly true.

HOST LFST RB3000: HOST LFST Intent, why let *miracles* be "everyday"? If

HOST LFST RB3000: it's truly a miracle, can't we let it be ineffable?

Drpatcrawford: Tried to stay in the light my own self, hard, so I could channel love

Drpatcrawford: to her...hard...I am demanding of good service, easily frustrated...cold...

DCizunas: Yes Intent, even if you are free from it at home, your peers ridicule you

HOST LFST Intent: True DCizunas

Scamper22: DC, again, true. Seems ridicule is the name of the game these days.

HOST LFST Intent: RB300, still thinking

Scamper22: The "cowards" tool.

Khiron1771: ineffable?

HOST LFST RB3000: Scamper, I'd still love to hear how your world has been UNordinary.

Scamper22: RB, I mentioned seeing the moving The Haunting, which was based on a true story.

Drpatcrawford: How about "the external reflects the internal..."

Drpatcrawford: "Change the world? Change yourself..."

HOST LFST Intent: Drpatcrawford, could you expain further?

Ddreamtime1: lots of times its my own preconceived idea that i will be ridiculed

Drpatcrawford: Hard lesson for me, but when "they" or "it" isn't right, it is my own work

Bimbo10000: i have to go. thanks for enlightening me some hosts.

DCizunas: DDream, but someone..parent, peer had to give you that notion : (

HOST LFST RB3000: ***** All right, friends -- those are all wonderful thoughts

HOST LFST RB3000: you've brought up. Now let us delve into the second half of

HOST LFST RB3000: tonight's presentation: "Ecstatic Components of the

HOST LFST RB3000: Moment" -- what on earth could those be?

Heavenlysentforu: i find that i have to struggle to connect its not easy for me

HOST LFST RB3000: Heavenlysentforu, it's not easy for *anyone*

HOST LFST RB3000: Once again, please hold comments long enough for me to

HOST LFST RB3000: roll out the main idea, and then we'll open the floor for

HOST LFST RB3000: discussion. Here we go ........................................

HOST LFST RB3000: The paradigm of existence that I am presenting here, over

HOST LFST RB3000: the months, is basically of a solipsistic, self-reflexive

HOST LFST RB3000: hologram in fourteen dimensions. (I don't know that it's

HOST LFST RB3000: exactly 14, but that's the Roman numeral in refleXIVe. In

HOST LFST RB3000: this paradigm, "coincidences" like that do matter.


HOST LFST RB3000: I know that there are more than eleven dimensions to it,

HOST LFST RB3000: for example, because eleven is the number that modern

HOST LFST RB3000: physics so far thinks it needs in order to describe

HOST LFST RB3000: everything it has discovered so far, and their mandate is

HOST LFST RB3000: to keep their sights as low as possible ("Occam's razor").

HOST LFST RB3000: As a mystic, mine is to look beyond ("Occam's hair-

HOST LFST RB3000: blower").


HOST LFST RB3000: "It" being the Hologram, the "solipsistic" one, which

HOST LFST RB3000: means that we regard all existence occurring within a

HOST LFST RB3000: single Consciousness, holographic in that every "point"

HOST LFST RB3000: within it has every possible point of view within it.

HOST LFST RB3000: I apologize if it sounds like a circular definition, but we are

HOST LFST RB3000: on a journey of discovery-- all Columbuses-- else

HOST LFST RB3000: everything would already be known.


HOST LFST RB3000: The Mystery lies on the other side of what can be talked

HOST LFST RB3000: about, so we are talking to entertain our "reason" while

HOST LFST RB3000: our intuition can have a chance to discern patterns and

HOST LFST RB3000: movements, the "wu-li", the noumenon, the ineffable

HOST LFST RB3000: emanations of the *Eschaton* -- all of which mean nothing

HOST LFST RB3000: to our reason, just words for now.


HOST LFST RB3000: The wonderful advantage of using the hologram as our

HOST LFST RB3000: metaphor is that you can break a holomatrix into a billion

HOST LFST RB3000: pieces, and each tiny shard "remembers" the whole

HOST LFST RB3000: image, in as many dimensions as was originally recorded.

HOST LFST RB3000: Of course the images of the little pieces have very little

HOST LFST RB3000: power and resolution, but they can be filtered and

HOST LFST RB3000: amplified so that we can trace all the extensions of

HOST LFST RB3000: whatever was recorded.


HOST LFST RB3000: So now, using this metaphor, we can entertain the notion

HOST LFST RB3000: that we are all together just one single Being, one single

HOST LFST RB3000: Mind, having one single experience in one single Moment--

HOST LFST RB3000: the *Moment of all Eternity*.

HOST LFST RB3000: Every history, every universe can now be expressed not in

HOST LFST RB3000: the time sequences and spatial distances that our reason

HOST LFST RB3000: likes so much, but as instantaneous abstract projections

HOST LFST RB3000: having nothing to do with time or space.


HOST LFST RB3000: I know this must sound dreadfully theoretical, or even

HOST LFST RB3000: absurd, but every ecstatic mystic witnesses Existence and

HOST LFST RB3000: Divinity in something like this way, although their

HOST LFST RB3000: descriptions of it will reflect their cultural milieu, as mine

HOST LFST RB3000: does.

HOST LFST RB3000: As you go back through your scriptures and mythologies

HOST LFST RB3000: with this paradigm in mind, you'll start to see that it is just

HOST LFST RB3000: such a paradigm that they are always attempting to

HOST LFST RB3000: describe.


HOST LFST RB3000: For example, it becomes very easy to "explain" miracles

HOST LFST RB3000: with this paradigm, as easily as catching flashes of light

HOST LFST RB3000: and cross-reflections in a mirror. They project from other

HOST LFST RB3000: spectral angles and dimensions.


HOST LFST RB3000: ***** The floor is back open for discussion. I know this is

HOST LFST RB3000: kind of heavy, so take your time to scroll up and

HOST LFST RB3000: contemplate.

Insink22: your two eyes work together see different views

Insink22: yet we see one

Insink22: we forget that we have a twin flame

HOST LFST RB3000: AzureWinds, once we experience it with control, it often

HOST LFST RB3000: become our task to explain where we went and what we

HOST LFST RB3000: saw, so others can verify it for themselves, no?

AzureWinds: no

Mui Turtle: 3k are you rewording Bach's book Illusions here on us

HOST LFST RB3000: Insink, I don't know how to verify that I have a twin flame.

Goldynlady: I do

Insink22: we can chat about such tales of power

HOST LFST RB3000: Mui Turtle, thanks for reminding me-- I wanted to include that in my book list.

Mui Turtle: lol

Goldynlady: I just know it ...have met it ..and KNOW it IS

Heavenlysentforu: i dont have a twin flame

HOST LFST Intent: Insink22, care to share some of those tales? :))

Insink22: maybe you forgot!

Insink22: or call it something differant

Goldynlady: whatever name it has it exists

Insink22: this dream we dream now

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Mui Turtle: choice in twin souls , choice in all

HOST LFST RB3000: Mui Turtle, what would you say your choices are?

Heavenlysentforu: i thought a twin soul is a soul mate?

Mui Turtle: to allow this in or not validate it 3k

Mui Turtle: those are my choices

Insink22: all we have are our decisions

HOST LFST RB3000: Mui Turtle, of course-- I am only presenting all this as a

HOST LFST RB3000: paradigm-- a tool for contemplation.

Insink22: we can choose to get "stuck" on anything!

AzureWinds: Heavenly, twin soul, soul mate, all are concepts

AzureWinds: someone created to explain a particular seeming

AzureWinds: phenomena, it is all man made and not revalevant

AzureWinds: to truth

Heavenlysentforu: i feel like this isn't making sense

HOST LFST RB3000: Heavenlysentforu, I know-- it took me decades before I could untangle all this.

Mui Turtle: even then i would need much thought of doing it

Insink22: the blending of the two sides

Insink22: nothing stands so sublime

HOST LFST RB3000: Well, let's continue with the lesson a little more, and see if

HOST LFST RB3000: it connects the dots a little bit more, ok?

Heavenlysentforu: well all i know host is 11;11is what i se all the time

Heavenlysentforu: for over 10 yrs now

Insink22: <<<Connected

Angelchakra: <<<dots connected here>>>

AzureWinds: 3000, why would you want to spend all that time

AzureWinds: untangling it...love is so much simpler and easier

HOST LFST RB3000: AzureWinds, I actually answered that question in an earlier

HOST LFST RB3000: class, and it takes about 45 minutes to answer it, so may I

HOST LFST RB3000: request that you look back thru the logs ?

HOST LFST RB3000: Now let us take another step and reach the exciting climax

HOST LFST RB3000: of tonight's featured presentation, "How we get to {it}."

HOST LFST RB3000: Please once again hold all comments till I have a chance to

HOST LFST RB3000: roll out these last few paragraphs. .................................

HOST LFST RB3000: In previous sessions, I've talked to you about all the

HOST LFST RB3000: preparatory exercises: listening, tasting and feeling on

HOST LFST RB3000: deep, synaesthesic levels; dream and trance work;

HOST LFST RB3000: chanting and sacred dance, martial arts; mystical rituals;

HOST LFST RB3000: and consistent meditations of different kinds.


HOST LFST RB3000: If you've been doing some balanced combination of these

HOST LFST RB3000: sorts of things for long enough, and consistently enough,

HOST LFST RB3000: you may now be ready for the second phase of attentional

HOST LFST RB3000: shift: "dreaming the Silence" or "Seeing without words" or

HOST LFST RB3000: (one of my favorite expressions from don Juan) "the

HOST LFST RB3000: somersault into the inconceivable."

HOST LFST RB3000: Gurdjieff prefers the undramatic "self-remembering." Take

HOST LFST RB3000: your pick after you've done it some.


HOST LFST RB3000: The components of this shift start with the breaking of all

HOST LFST RB3000: habits, all psychological programming that keeps our first

HOST LFST RB3000: attention fixed on a societal "norm."

HOST LFST RB3000: Obviously this can't be done in a minute, nor by merely

HOST LFST RB3000: deciding to do it; sometimes a decade or two of the

HOST LFST RB3000: preliminary practices will get this going sufficiently.


HOST LFST RB3000: The exception would be if you go through a near-death

HOST LFST RB3000: experience (as in the movie "Resurrection"), a serious

HOST LFST RB3000: illness (as in "Phenomenon") or get struck by lightning (as

HOST LFST RB3000: in "Powder"), but it's still quite rare for someone to

HOST LFST RB3000: consolidate the shifts of Attention that such shocks induce.


HOST LFST RB3000: The second component of "self-remembering" or "second

HOST LFST RB3000: attention" may often be rreferred to as "taking one's

HOST LFST RB3000: inventory" or "recapitulating"-- there are similar Sufi and

HOST LFST RB3000: Buddhist practices, but I don't know their names.

HOST LFST RB3000: This is usually given as a preliminary exercise, sort of

HOST LFST RB3000: passed off casually but, if done consistently, results in

HOST LFST RB3000: highly attuned articulation of this special Attention.


HOST LFST RB3000: Taken in the simplest way, it amounts to reliving every

HOST LFST RB3000: decision point of our lives, every moment in which we

HOST LFST RB3000: compromised, lost something, lied, stole, or made

HOST LFST RB3000: ourselves the victim of anything or anyone.

HOST LFST RB3000: This is not merely telling ourselves the stories we've been

HOST LFST RB3000: running in our heads non-stop since we learned them; but

HOST LFST RB3000: reliving the actual collection of experiences or

HOST LFST RB3000: "impressions" that made up each point of our lives in

HOST LFST RB3000: which our realities split into divergent streams.


HOST LFST RB3000: The pinnacle of this exercise is when "your head is turned

HOST LFST RB3000: around 180 degrees" and you can see the "future" as it

HOST LFST RB3000: approaches you, which means you can see the exact

HOST LFST RB3000: result of each microdecision you are making each moment.


HOST LFST RB3000: The third component is an amalgamation of ruthlessness,

HOST LFST RB3000: surrender, vigilance, faith, devotion and patience.

HOST LFST RB3000: In this context, ruthlessness does not mean violence,

HOST LFST RB3000: surrender does not mean yielding, faith does not mean

HOST LFST RB3000: believing anything, devotion does not mean enslavement,

HOST LFST RB3000: and patience does not mean waiting around for something

HOST LFST RB3000: to happen.


HOST LFST RB3000: Our final component of "second attention" that we'll cover

HOST LFST RB3000: tonight involves the perception or attunement with

HOST LFST RB3000: hyperdimensional channels, anchoring and burnishing

HOST LFST RB3000: them, "dying" and "being reborn" from one to another of

HOST LFST RB3000: them, collecting or bundling the channels, "surfing the

HOST LFST RB3000: Zuvuya" as Jose Arguellez puts it, and "tagging" or keying

HOST LFST RB3000: the entry points.


HOST LFST RB3000: There is a tool that helps with this, sometimes called

HOST LFST RB3000: "love", but nothing like what people normally call "love." In

HOST LFST RB3000: fact, this word is so universally abused that most of my

HOST LFST RB3000: teachers avoid ever mentioning it. They prefer more

HOST LFST RB3000: abstract terms, like "the movement of the shine of the

HOST LFST RB3000: eyes" or "the blow to chief feature" or "the shattering of

HOST LFST RB3000: the mirror of self-reflection" or "the substitution of the

HOST LFST RB3000: continuity of perception."

HOST LFST RB3000: What do these terms suggest to you? (Hint: these words

HOST LFST RB3000: really only take on full meaning when there are no words

HOST LFST RB3000: ("... when you call my name, I am no longer here...").


HOST LFST RB3000: ****** Well, friends-- that's all I wanted to share with you

HOST LFST RB3000: tonight, and now it's your turn-- please share with us any

HOST LFST RB3000: NON-drug-induced experiences of altered attention that

HOST LFST RB3000: you've been able somehow to direct in non-linear ways.

HOST LFST RB3000: I'd especially like to hear if you have had flashes or

HOST LFST RB3000: glimpses that help you understand what this might be

HOST LFST RB3000: about. Go right ahead now please. ........

Mui Turtle: its causing undue eyestrain getting stigmata here what does that mean ? microdecision off?

HOST LFST RB3000: Mui Turtle, it means that everything that occurs in our

HOST LFST RB3000: holographic lives depends on our particular decision of

HOST LFST RB3000: where to go with it.

Drpatcrawford: I used to believe this capacity, these capacities were more a result of culture, training...

HOST LFST Intent: Drpat, I agree. Training is required

SINGINGFEATHER: RB3000 I had a wonderful flood of energy which hit during the March new moon.....

DCizunas: 3K, will you expand on what you mean in that 3rd component in another class?

Drpatcrawford: Required, yes, but we enter with different capabilities, I think...

DCizunas: Very iiterested in what you are getting at

Drpatcrawford: Most of us jave some musical talent, e.g.

Drpatcrawford: Altho some are tone deaf...

HOST LFST RB3000: Drpatcrawford, training yes, but never automatically, and

HOST LFST RB3000: cultures definitely discourage such capacities, except in

HOST LFST RB3000: shamans and certain priests.

Drpatcrawford: We can all benefit from training..

Drpatcrawford: However, Pavarotti was singing opera as a babe and is still doing what he did then

Drpatcrawford: And I believe lives in the ecstasy of these no drug induced states

Drpatcrawford: damn near constantly and has since a child...

Heavenlysentforu: why is it so hard to tap into the light energy?

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, we could talk about it here-- I'm not sure right

HOST LFST RB3000: now, where we'll get to later on...

Drpatcrawford: In my opinion the outlet for the talent is critical...otherwise it can be SO PAINFUL...

HOST LFST RB3000: Drpatcrawford, you bet!

DCizunas: 3K, I'd like to find out about it : )

Drpatcrawford: Which is why most rurn to drugs...alcohol, sex, $ , power, religion, dogma...CHAT ROFL,

Drpatcrawford: that is my drug of choice...

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, ok, I'll say a bit here...

Drpatcrawford: In an attempt to NAP....

Ginutz1: It's not hard to tap into light energy

Mui Turtle: Drpat those are choices also like participation

DCizunas: Thanks 3K

Mui Turtle:

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Ginutz1: why do you think that?

Drpatcrawford: Bingo...no, hard to turn the light off...life experienced is so incredibly ecstacy

Drpatcrawford: producing...

HOST LFST RB3000: DCizunas, basically, the third component is the real

HOST LFST RB3000: emotions we have- the ones that we "steer" with, as

HOST LFST RB3000: opposed to the mushy stories that decoy for emotions.

Insink22: my experance is that of flirting with freedom

Heavenlysentforu: well the host said it was hard for everyone

Drpatcrawford: HARD to take...

SINGINGFEATHER: nice to drop in at the end of this catalyst of growth

Insink22: the know thought state

Mui Turtle: trying to get to the heart of the matter host

TEECHINA: like pretend emtions..not real

Insink22: not stuck on things

HOST LFST RB3000: .... and they can be computed as movements of the shine

HOST LFST RB3000: of the sorcerer's eyes, if that can make any sense.

Tripsis2u: there are lots of ways to connect to the divine

Ginutz1: Light energy is the Divine

Drpatcrawford: Mui, say more please about choices being like participation...

DCizunas: Like getting back to the basic gut meaning that the words should have?

Tripsis2u: in fact there really should be no DISCONNECTION

Tripsis2u: way we disconnect from the divine is the topic too, yes?

HOST LFST RB3000: Goldynlady, well, listening is a very good method for

HOST LFST RB3000: gaining facility in these practices.

Insink22: if all things are equal there is nothing to get stuck on

Ginutz1: it's not about getting there 3000, it's about accepting it

HOST LFST RB3000: Insink, for sure, but how do we get to where everything is equal?

HOST LFST RB3000: (For further reading on tonight's topic, I recommend "In

HOST LFST RB3000: Search of the Miraculous" by P.D. Ouspensky, "Forest of

HOST LFST RB3000: Visions" by Alex Polari de Alverga, "The Eagle's Gift" by

HOST LFST RB3000: Carlos Castaneda, "The Cloud of Unknowing"

HOST LFST RB3000: (anonymous), "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramahansa

HOST LFST RB3000: Yogananda, "Winged Pharaoh" by Joan Grant, "The Hidden

HOST LFST RB3000: Gospel" by Neil Douglas-Klotz, "Jitterbug Perfume" by Tom

HOST LFST RB3000: Robbins, "Illusions" by Richard Bach, the Bhagavad Gita,

HOST LFST RB3000: and of course all your favorite scriptures and mythologies. J

HOST LFST RB3000: Ginutz, ok, what does acceptance take? Just deciding, and boom?

Ginutz1: It's acceptng that we are ALL energy

Meemoe: The heart of the matter Is that In How we choose to react to or inner act with or detach from

Meemoe: is a matter of Choice

Goldynlady: acceptance takes "knowing"

Ginutz1: Acceptance is knowing, yes

Heavenlysentforu: i feel bogged down

Heavenlysentforu: not like energy

Meemoe: Our Inner Light Or fire Or Drive

Meemoe: Is What is So Kneejurk Yet

Meemoe: Honest

Insink22: letting go of our "identification's our "discriminations" our "desires"

Meemoe: And Once HOned In On Can Be Powerful

Meemoe: and Conferming of ALL that Lies Within Us ALL

Meemoe: the Spirit

HOST LFST Intent: Insink, how do we accomplish that?

Insink22: is a good start to trying to view all things as equal

Insink22: wittness the times you get stuck

Insink22: and unstick yourself

Efilymforetsam: how could we ever be unhappy if we did not want anything?

HOST LFST RB3000: (Two weeks from now our subject will be: "Secret keys,

HOST LFST RB3000: programs and maps embedded in the DNA, the horoscope

HOST LFST RB3000: and the gridlines of the world." Please continue whatever

HOST LFST RB3000: daily practices you are doing -- we'll be using everything

HOST LFST RB3000: that results from them.)

Ginutz1: It's becoming conscious of all of our thoughts words and deeds to begin with

Ginutz1: and changing the negativity

Insink22: WAKE UP

Drpatcrawford: Equal yet unique, different, appreciating the differences, honoring the realities...yes?

Drpatcrawford: I.e., discernment sans judgment?

Goldynlady: I don't believe that enlightenment comes from denial

Ginutz1: yes, honoring the choices/experiences others make

Tripsis2u: Goldy ...why not

HOST LFST RB3000: Drpatcrawford, yes, that is an admirable state to get into.

Insink22: yes we will all wake up ...only to find ourself in yet another dream

Tripsis2u: I beat cancer when I stayed stuck in denial

Goldynlady: denial is going around experiences not thru them

FlowerJJN: Standing like a tree ... with branches and leaves spread wide and roots planted in the earth

Tripsis2u: I think we have denial for a very good reason

Drpatcrawford: Tripsis, elaborate please...I am interested in your view...

Ginutz1: to keep our energy lower?

Efilymforetsam: what is real?

Tripsis2u: it is a time when we can decide what to hold and what to fold

Efilymforetsam: denying the appearance the ability to hurt us is not denial

Tripsis2u: I refused to believe that I was going to die

Heavenlysentforu: i think what we think about expands and what we don't think

Heavenlysentforu: about doesn't

Efilymforetsam: it is awakening

Drpatcrawford: Tripsis, not asleep but not attached, honoring what is going on and choosing to attend to

Drpatcrawford: preferred outcome, i.e., creating intention, yes?

Goldynlady: denying ourselves real experiences or shutting ourselves away from the reality around us onl

Efilymforetsam: what is the real?

Tripsis2u: okay, I see...that happens too...

Efilymforetsam: is it anything you see?

Goldynlady: only creates eperation

Ginutz1: the real to us is whatever we create

HOST LFST RB3000: Drpatcrawford, how would we necessarily know what outcome is preferred?

Goldynlady: separation

FlowerJJN: real is the sky ... the earth ... the mountains and the seas ..

Ginutz1: but reality is really recognizing we are all energy

Heavenlysentforu: we have to detach from the outcome

Drpatcrawford: I believe we have the right to make choices, make them known to God, the Universe, Spirit.

Drpatcrawford: AND we also must be open to no control...Who was it said, God answers alll prayers...sometim

JLook91968: 3K....I think not having to be beaten would be a preferred outcome

HOST LFST Intent: HOST RB300, would lucid dreaming fall into this catagory ?

Efilymforetsam: that is true Drpat

Drpatcrawford: sometimes tho the answer is NO...

Drpatcrawford: LIVING in the paradox....:)))

Drpatcrawford: Takes practice, is awesome...

HOST LFST RB3000: Drpatcrawford, actually, the whole universe turns out to be

HOST LFST RB3000: the sum total of our choices, but we don't know what the

HOST LFST RB3000: results of our choices are, do we?

HOST LFST RB3000: HOST LFST Intent, it *could* but usually doesn't-- no power.

Goldynlady: we are only a part of the pattern in the weave with our choices

Efilymforetsam: everything we experience is the result of our choices

Tripsis2u: RB I don't agree with that

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, pray tell.

Mui Turtle: so .....choices was the right answer after all..

Drpatcrawford: I believe the Universe is the Universe and I am not sure exactly much about her beyond that

Tripsis2u: I don't believe that where one is ..is due to the sum of their choices

Drpatcrawford: Except she

Meemoe: Our every breath Is a choice

Drpatcrawford: sure has been good to me!!! :))

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, I know-- took a lot for me to even consider such a proposition.

Efilymforetsam: believe as you will trip

Drpatcrawford: Lots of pain, lots of dung...

Insink22: you dreamed you went there your here

Efilymforetsam: it really doesn't matter really

Efilymforetsam: let us just flow

Tripsis2u: I believe that no one is 100% responsible for where they are at any given time

Goldynlady: our lives are the result of our choices mixed with the choices of othres

Drpatcrawford: Incredible gain, pleasure, lotus blossoms....:)))

Mui Turtle: Meemoe but not our every skin dander is a choice

Meemoe: saw a nice a saying the other day Lets see if i can recall It

Mui Turtle: its unconsciously always

Goldynlady: we are all a part of the weave and we all are connected in that way

Meemoe: BLOOM where Ever you happen to Be Planted For NOW

Insink22: but to take responibilty

HOST LFST Intent: Tripsis2u, if not "us" then who?

Mui Turtle: eventually back to dirt

Insink22: respond to your ability

Tripsis2u: know why? (and I used to beleive that one was)

Heavenlysentforu: meemoe thats cool

Tripsis2u: because I understand the power of the spoken word

Tripsis2u: and not all words are uttered from me in my life

Mui Turtle: ect

Goldynlady: I like that Mee

Efilymforetsam: the energies inside us as thoughts and emotions created what we are now

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, of course you have the right to that proposition,

HOST LFST RB3000: but I had to look at where it got me. 100% responsibility

HOST LFST RB3000: takes me a lot further, and will get us where we are going

HOST LFST RB3000: with the matter of this class.

Efilymforetsam: but we are all ever changing and growing

Efilymforetsam: there is no limit to what we can become

Goldynlady: you are only 100% responsablr for your part but you are still affected by others parts

HOST LFST Intent: Very nice Efily

Tripsis2u: sure... we can only take responsibility for our subsequent behaviours

HOST LFST RB3000: Tripsis2u, I know it seems to be coming from "elsewhere",

Drpatcrawford: And own your filters, right IS22? Like I LOVE dichotomies my own self...LOL

HOST LFST RB3000: but who is it that *hears* it all, hmmm?

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Mui Turtle: its the nonones, etc.

Drpatcrawford: Pain, pleasure, dark, light, etc., etc., etc...

HOST LFST RB3000: Goldynlady, in the paradigm I am presenting, there is only

HOST LFST RB3000: one single holographic Consciousness at all.

HOST LFST Intent: Drpat, have you had any near death experiences?

HOST LFST RB3000: ... So there are no "parts" the way we've been thinking of them.

Goldynlady: we ALL hear it all and we each make our way thru it from our own perspectives and our own values

Tripsis2u: if a person's word is all one has to go by...then what?

Drpatcrawford: Intent...Let's just say I have been "shown plenty," choose not to discuss in this context

Meemoe: Heres Another From a friend: An angel robed in spotless white, Bent down to kiss the

Meemoe: sleeping Night, NIGht woke to Blush, the Sprite was gone... Men saw the blush and called it dawn

HOST LFST Intent: Drpat, certainly

FlowerJJN: Meemoe .. that was lovely ..

Mui Turtle: one part its again relative to neurons firing from fragments of mass /energy/bioenergetics /

Mui Turtle: magnetics

Mui Turtle: and dirt

Mui Turtle: that makes us one

Mui Turtle: water oops forgot conductor

Tripsis2u: when we relate to others all we HAVE really is their word aside from their actions and how

Tripsis2u: it affects one

Goldynlady: we affect one another fractally or cellular automata wise

Tripsis2u: so when you ask...How do YOU connect to the divine

Tripsis2u: I have to say throught the thoughts words and actions of those that are around us

JLook91968: and what about the different types of intelligence with which we affect/effect the universe?

Efilymforetsam: we are the divine behind our egos

Ddreamtime1: meemoe :) lovely use of the moments time

Meemoe: I wonder If we werent So able Bodied If we'd Feel Less Strongly About the Physical aspect of

Meemoe: Our actions

Mui Turtle: ok those were just the dynamics of the physical did not go the soul/spiritual part

Mui Turtle: that could take days

Tripsis2u: whether it become adversity or a heavenly moment

Mui Turtle: or just say it IS

Meemoe: Like even Now If I could type with my brian I wouldnt need My fingers

HOST LFST Intent: PhenixWoman, hold for just a little while longer?

Meemoe: Pure Brian POWER

HOST LFST Intent: Meemoe, great point....

Insink22: there is a BLENDING

Insink22: a mixing of mind body soul

Tripsis2u: I find that the heavenly moments occur due to trusting in oneself and the adversity

Insink22: the balance of these forces

Efilymforetsam: how so insink?

Tripsis2u: is usually due to not heeding the inner voice

Meemoe: we Are no More limited By Our Minds than My Ass If To Pass GAS

Mui Turtle: we can hook electrodes up to your head, Meemoe calibrate them to a microchip and before long

Mui Turtle: your modem will be dialing up

Insink22: balance is gain in the moment

Insink22: IF you are not lost in your head

Insink22: your body

Insink22: or off in you soul

Efilymforetsam: I think I understand

Meemoe: Lost In My Head

Insink22: the blending is sublime

Meemoe: Sounds Like Lyrics

Efilymforetsam: what are you then Insink?

Meemoe: A MENTAL Orgasum

Tripsis2u: Heavenly moments are the indication that we do connect to what is divine

Mui Turtle: you watch , now that it has been spoken someone will develop it and make a million

Heavenlysentforu: well when i mean connect

Heavenlysentforu: i mean i want to manefest

Drpatcrawford: I agree IS22...and in my experience, the lack of that balance leads to illness, disease, etc

HOST LFST Intent: Insink, what are some of your methods for blending?

Meemoe: I've manifested twice

Meemoe: Two girlys

Insink22: it starts with just getting "stuck"

Drpatcrawford: Yes...and healing can begin in any sector, and a little in each works miracles...

Efilymforetsam: hummm

Insink22: not getting stuck!

Drpatcrawford: Interrupt an old pattern...

Drpatcrawford: "What one can't one must..."

Insink22: to not get stuck you have to love freedom

HOST LFST Intent: Insink, what do you mean by getting stuck?

Tripsis2u: I like to be able to trust another's word

Insink22: freedom does not get stuck

Drpatcrawford: Yes...

Insink22: anything

Efilymforetsam: lol intent

Mui Turtle: most work all their lives to get stuck though

Insink22: stuck on a thought

Insink22: a person

Insink22: a place

Mui Turtle: in one way or another

Insink22: a feeling

Meemoe: What One Must One can what One Cant One cant Know Without first trying

Insink22: like in dreams if you awake in a dream

HOST LFST Intent: Thanks Insink :) gotcha

Insink22: if you get "stuck"

Insink22: focus on one thing too much

Efilymforetsam: okay insink you are talking about be focused on something

Insink22: you lose the flow

Heavenlysentforu: its all talk but is it practiced

Insink22: of you being there

Efilymforetsam: okay I understand

Tripsis2u: Insink you say that as if there was something wrong with it

Meemoe: Getting cought up In IT

Meemoe: rather than sitting Back and watching

Insink22: this world

Meemoe: things Like people watching

HOST LFST RB3000: Ok, friends-- we'll be back here in TWO weeks for class

HOST LFST RB3000: #19: secret keys all over the place.

HOST LFST RB3000: Thanks for coming tonight, and enjoy your week off from class.

Efilymforetsam: well not wrong, but what one gets caught up on, there he/she stays

Efilymforetsam: until they release again

Efilymforetsam: and flow higher

Insink22: a man get tied up to the ground he gives the world his saddest sound

Insink22: any view that is stuck by fear or clarity

Ddreamtime1: there is a time for the hawks view and a time for the mouse view

Heavenlysentforu: ill be back later i just am to distracted.

Heavenlysentforu: see ya

Drpatcrawford: Thank you hosts...:))

Heavenlysentforu: thnks host

HOST LFST Heart: Namaste'

HOST LFST Intent: (`'.,,.)(Night all)(`,,.')

Drpatcrawford: {{{{HOSTS]]]

PhenixWoman: {S namaste

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HOST LFST Intent: (`'.,,.)(INTENT!!)(`,,.')

Tripsis2u: Namaste